Re: two annoyances with X11
Re: two annoyances with X11
- Subject: Re: two annoyances with X11
- From: Jeremy Huddleston <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 19:18:07 -0800
On Nov 22, 2011, at 08:03, René J.V. Bertin wrote:
>>>> , so is 3 operating systems behind. At least the window decoration was recently updated to better match the rest of the OS
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>>> by "recently", I'm guessing you mean slightly over 2 years ago when SL was released...
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>> See above. I see no obvious changes in the shadow behaviour of quartz-wm since Tiger. If there are changes, they're too subtle for my eye. What I can say is that the quartz-wm (for pack in at least), does not match SL or Lion (or Leopard IIRC, I don't have a Leopard machine around to check it out).
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>>>> , but still. What does it take to de-ancient this piece of code?
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>>> It will never happen. You have maybe 5% of a developer working on XQuartz and multiple groups of engineers working on AppKit, CoreGraphics, etc...
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>> Hence my opening statement about "impotent rage".
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>> Jamie
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> I'm guessing what you'd actually want is a version of the X11 server that is in fact a "simple" proxy endowing "standard" Quartz or CoreWhatever windows with an X11 protocol interface. I'm sure that's possible, but it'd probably be a quite different beast than what XQuartz is currently. Though in a sense I guess that's exactly what XQuartz and X11.app do ... so how difficult would it be to let the Quartz handle decoration of what's already a Quartz window at some low level?
This is actually something that we were musing over at XDC a few months ago, and a group of us X11 developers are sponsoring a team of students at PSU to work on the initial design of this effort. We're able to use some relatively new X11 extensions (composite and damage) with the Xorg DDX and a special compositing window manager that will render into "real" NSWindows, so it will actually interface with OS X "above" AppKit rather than below CG (via libXplugin). It is our hope that this will become the basis of XQuartz 3.0, but don't expect it any time soon.
> I must admit I can see the annoyance with a windowing style that's just slightly different.
You're using X11. You shouldn't expect it to behave as well as native windows. ;)
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