August 2012 - Bluetooth-dev

Re: Testing Core Bluetooth Applications in the iOS Simulator on OSX 10.8.1
by Gabriele Merlonghi 30 Aug '12

30 Aug '12

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Re: BTLE reconnection problems
by Ram Jayaraman 30 Aug '12

30 Aug '12

Hi Joakim, Thanks for the reply. Much appreciated. I understand the below pointers about the BT api. The logic I use is scan forever, once a device is discovered stop scanning and connect to the device. Once the device disconnects, scan again. The retries to repeatedly connect is an aberration in my question [ please ignore it ]. The above loop of scan,connect,scan seems to cause a problem of no device being discovered unless I restart BT through the Settings app. Of course this is not a consistent problem, I have had it work for days before this happened but sometimes it will show up in hours during my development . I am wondering if this is a known bug or are there anything I need to take special care about to avoid messing up the BT stack. I would also like to point out that the BTLE device I am using does follow the Apple Bluetooth guidelines for advertisement intervals and connection parameters. Ram On Aug 29, 2012, at 7:40 PM, Joakim Linde <joakim(a)apple.com> wrote: > > Hi Ram, > > Let me see if I can help you. > > - While in background mode, you will see get notified once if a new device comes within range. > - If you got that notification while the app was in the foreground you may not get any notification when the app enters the background. > - Connection request "pend" forever and will not timeout (they can be cancelled) > - No need to scan for the device every time > - You simply can connect to the device without scanning for it if you have previously connected to or paired with the device using it's UUID. > > For more info, please see the two WWDC2012 talks about Core Bluetooth. > > Thanks, > Joakim > > > On Aug 29, 2012, at 6:40 PM, Ram Jayaraman <ram(a)milesense.com> wrote: > >> I repeatedly face connection problems where the only way to discover a BTLE device which is constantly advertising is to turn On/Off Bluetooth in the iPhone through settings or in rare cases restart the phone itself. My app runs in the background and is scanning for devices with a specific list of services and it works most of the time. With one of the BTLE devices were using we had some reliability issues so I have retry logic which will repeatedly attempt to connect to a recently discovered UUID for a short while before giving up, Iam not sure if this behavior is messing up the stack. >> >> Is there a way to debug the discovery issue or any recommended steps to ensure we are not messing with the state of the BTLE stack [ like not doing repeated connection attempts etc ] ? >> >> Any help here would be much appreciated. >> >> Ram > _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/site_archiver%40lists… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: BTLE reconnection problems
by Joakim Linde 30 Aug '12

30 Aug '12

Hi Ram, Let me see if I can help you. - While in background mode, you will see get notified once if a new device comes within range. - If you got that notification while the app was in the foreground you may not get any notification when the app enters the background. - Connection request "pend" forever and will not timeout (they can be cancelled) - No need to scan for the device every time - You simply can connect to the device without scanning for it if you have previously connected to or paired with the device using it's UUID. For more info, please see the two WWDC2012 talks about Core Bluetooth. Thanks, Joakim On Aug 29, 2012, at 6:40 PM, Ram Jayaraman <ram(a)milesense.com> wrote: > I repeatedly face connection problems where the only way to discover a BTLE device which is constantly advertising is to turn On/Off Bluetooth in the iPhone through settings or in rare cases restart the phone itself. My app runs in the background and is scanning for devices with a specific list of services and it works most of the time. With one of the BTLE devices were using we had some reliability issues so I have retry logic which will repeatedly attempt to connect to a recently discovered UUID for a short while before giving up, Iam not sure if this behavior is messing up the stack. > > Is there a way to debug the discovery issue or any recommended steps to ensure we are not messing with the state of the BTLE stack [ like not doing repeated connection attempts etc ] ? > > Any help here would be much appreciated. > > Ram _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/site_archiver%40lists… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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BTLE reconnection problems
by Ram Jayaraman 30 Aug '12

30 Aug '12

I repeatedly face connection problems where the only way to discover a BTLE device which is constantly advertising is to turn On/Off Bluetooth in the iPhone through settings or in rare cases restart the phone itself. My app runs in the background and is scanning for devices with a specific list of services and it works most of the time. With one of the BTLE devices were using we had some reliability issues so I have retry logic which will repeatedly attempt to connect to a recently discovered UUID for a short while before giving up, Iam not sure if this behavior is messing up the stack. Is there a way to debug the discovery issue or any recommended steps to ensure we are not messing with the state of the BTLE stack [ like not doing repeated connection attempts etc ] ? Any help here would be much appreciated. Ram _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/site_archiver%40lists… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Testing Core Bluetooth Applications in the iOS Simulator on OSX 10.8.1
by karel 29 Aug '12

29 Aug '12

Hello All, But. Karel (2012/08/29 16:07), András Kövi wrote: Hi Gabriele, as far as I understood, and this is underpinned by Apple documentation (https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/technotes/tn2295/_index.html#//appl…) you cannot actually use the built in BLE with the simulator. For some architectural reason, the OS always clamps on it and it's not accessible by the simulator any more. However, you can use the built-in BLE to develop MacOS applications. I have done that and works Ok. I'm saying Ok because there seem to be a serious interference between the WiFi and the BLE connection. If I have a BLE connection set up and use the WiFi for any reason, the BLE connection is going to break. My 2 cents, Andras 2012/8/29 Gabriele Merlonghi <megabri(a)megabri.com>: Hi Michael, YES, in the case that you haven't the BLE peripheral inside the Mac, you are right: you cannot use it for the simulator… and also in the case that you have it (like me) it's not very clear how you can use it with iOS 6 simulator. I started to see the iOS 6 videos of WWDC 2012 related to Core Bluetooth: 1) Session 703 - Core Bluetooth 101 2) Session 705 - Advanced Core Bluetooth In the Session 703 video, is reported that now iOS 6 Simulator can be used as Core Bluetooth Platforms, but not specify in the deep how this can be possible… I suppose with a Mac that have already a BT LE inside at minimum, the speaker specify literally that this is made to do at developers opportunity to develop all ecosystem BT LE "in house" without necessary of any other BT LE from hardware manufacturing. Again I suppose that at minimum you need a Mac and an iPhone 4S. However in the Session 705 there is no mention of iOS 6 Simulator, but it's clearly that with iOS 6 you can use you iPhone 4S as a BLE Peripheral, this is new in CoreBluetooth Framework in iOS6. So, with an application Central on a Mac side and an application Peripheral on a iPhone 4S side, you can develop and test entire system. If someone have more information about how to use the iOS 6 simulator like a BLE device, is welcome. Gabriele Merlonghi Il giorno 28/ago/2012, alle ore 22:14, Michael Kroll <m.kroll(a)mac.com> ha scritto: Hi, and how should this work on an iMac 27-inch, Mid 2011 without such an USB dongle ? Regards, Michael. On Aug 28, 2012, at 4:06 AM, Gabriele Merlonghi <megabri(a)megabri.com> wrote: Hi, you know that you can use the new iOS 6 simulator without usb btle dongle to test a btle application ? Gabriele Merlonghi Blog: http://www.megabri.com Sent from my iPad Il giorno 28/ago/2012, alle ore 03:44, Mark Palatucci <markmp(a)gmail.com> ha scritto: I use the Cirago dongle with no problems on 10.7.3 (Lion) - but unfortunately it doesn't appear to work with Mountain Lion (10.8) On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Michael Kroll <m.kroll(a)mac.com> wrote: The cirago USB dongle. Kind Regards/Mit freundlichen Grüssen, Dr. Michael Kroll --- Blog: http://www.mkroll.mobi Forum: http://forum.mkroll.mobi On 23.08.2012, at 18:50, Njection Gmail <njection(a)gmail.com> wrote: Which usb ble dongle did you use? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 23, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Michael Kroll <m.kroll(a)mac.com> wrote: Hi, I tested the procedure described in the document: https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#technotes/tn2295/_index.html#//app… OSX10.8.1 without success. So it seems that the problem persists :-( Regards, Michael. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/njection%40gmail.com This email sent to njection(a)gmail.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/site_archiver%40lists… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com All USB devices (should) support HCI over USB, and with devices up to BT3.0 that's basically all you got, and the rest of the stack lived on your PC. Come 4.0, everyone is putting the stack into the dongle, and since there is no standard for GAP, ATT, GATT etc over USB we get dongle after dongle, all BT4.0 and all different. In order to save some pain, I thought I'd check out what (Qualified Design)QDIDs the Cirago BT8000 uses, by a search of the End Product Listing EPL on Bluetooth.org. Given the QDIDs it would then be possible to find all the other manufacturers who use the same QDIDs and thus obtain a list of dongles the same as the BT8000. i.e. a list of dongles that will work on a Mac. It turns out the BT8000 doesn't exist on the bluetooth.org database; only two of their products (BTA6310 and BTA3310) actually do. Maybe the BT8000 uses some (****ese) copy of a CSR chip? Maybe that's why it stops working with a software update.!?! Maybe, Apple could tell us what dongle was used to develop the driver so we can all go out and buy one, and move on.

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Re: Testing Core Bluetooth Applications in the iOS Simulator on OSX 10.8.1
by András Kövi 29 Aug '12

29 Aug '12

Hi Gabriele, as far as I understood, and this is underpinned by Apple documentation (https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/technotes/tn2295/_index.html#//appl…) you cannot actually use the built in BLE with the simulator. For some architectural reason, the OS always clamps on it and it's not accessible by the simulator any more. However, you can use the built-in BLE to develop MacOS applications. I have done that and works Ok. I'm saying Ok because there seem to be a serious interference between the WiFi and the BLE connection. If I have a BLE connection set up and use the WiFi for any reason, the BLE connection is going to break. My 2 cents, Andras 2012/8/29 Gabriele Merlonghi <megabri(a)megabri.com>: > Hi Michael, > YES, in the case that you haven't the BLE peripheral inside the Mac, you are > right: you cannot use it for the simulator… and also in the case that you > have it (like me) it's not very clear how you can use it with iOS 6 > simulator. > > I started to see the iOS 6 videos of WWDC 2012 related to Core Bluetooth: > 1) Session 703 - Core Bluetooth 101 > 2) Session 705 - Advanced Core Bluetooth > > In the Session 703 video, is reported that now iOS 6 Simulator can be used > as Core Bluetooth Platforms, but not specify in the deep how this can be > possible… I suppose with a Mac that have already a BT LE inside at minimum, > the speaker specify literally that this is made to do at developers > opportunity to develop all ecosystem BT LE "in house" without necessary of > any other BT LE from hardware manufacturing. Again I suppose that at minimum > you need a Mac and an iPhone 4S. > > However in the Session 705 there is no mention of iOS 6 Simulator, but it's > clearly that with iOS 6 you can use you iPhone 4S as a BLE Peripheral, this > is new in CoreBluetooth Framework in iOS6. > So, with an application Central on a Mac side and an application Peripheral > on a iPhone 4S side, you can develop and test entire system. > > If someone have more information about how to use the iOS 6 simulator like a > BLE device, is welcome. > > Gabriele Merlonghi > > Il giorno 28/ago/2012, alle ore 22:14, Michael Kroll <m.kroll(a)mac.com> ha > scritto: > > Hi, > and how should this work on an iMac 27-inch, Mid 2011 without such an USB > dongle ? > > Regards, > Michael. > > On Aug 28, 2012, at 4:06 AM, Gabriele Merlonghi <megabri(a)megabri.com> wrote: > > Hi, you know that you can use the new iOS 6 simulator without usb btle > dongle to test a btle application ? > > Gabriele Merlonghi > Blog: http://www.megabri.com > > Sent from my iPad > > Il giorno 28/ago/2012, alle ore 03:44, Mark Palatucci <markmp(a)gmail.com> ha > scritto: > > I use the Cirago dongle with no problems on 10.7.3 (Lion) - but > unfortunately it doesn't appear to work with Mountain Lion (10.8) > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Michael Kroll <m.kroll(a)mac.com> wrote: >> >> The cirago USB dongle. >> >> Kind Regards/Mit freundlichen Grüssen, >> Dr. Michael Kroll >> --- >> Blog: http://www.mkroll.mobi >> Forum: http://forum.mkroll.mobi >> >> On 23.08.2012, at 18:50, Njection Gmail <njection(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Which usb ble dongle did you use? >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > On Aug 23, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Michael Kroll <m.kroll(a)mac.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Hi, >> >> I tested the procedure described in the document: >> >> https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#technotes/tn2295/_index.html#//app… >> >> OSX10.8.1 >> >> without success. >> >> >> >> So it seems that the problem persists :-( >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Michael. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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Re: Testing Core Bluetooth Applications in the iOS Simulator on OSX 10.8.1
by Gabriele Merlonghi 29 Aug '12

29 Aug '12

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Re: Testing Core Bluetooth Applications in the iOS Simulator on OSX 10.8.1
by Louis Mamakos 29 Aug '12

29 Aug '12

The Bluegiga dongle doesn't claim to implement any sort of standard HCI interface. Unless the simulator or OS X had specific code to support it (and the dongle was flashed with the right firmware and configuration), I wouldn't expect it to work. I have also tried a CSR dongle, and it doesn't work with the simulator. I have also searched for some specific recommendation of what dongles or chipsets are support, and haven't found anything definitive. That little bit of information might be helpful to have published somewhere. Louis Mamakos On Aug 28, 2012, at 8:34 PM, Rick Mann <rmann(a)latencyzero.com> wrote: > I have the BlueGiga dongle, and I have not been able to get it to work, but I have not tried very hard. > > On Aug 28, 2012, at 16:56 , Ramin Firoozye <raminf(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Not on mid-2011 Macs without built-in BT 4.0. I've tried three separate BTLE dongles (TI, BlueGiga, and CSR) and none of them work. This is under Mountain Lion with iOS 5.1 and 6 simulators. >> >> Filed rdar://12193315 for these. >> >> Thanks, >> Ramin >> >> On Aug 27, 2012, at 6:44 PM, Mark Palatucci <markmp(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I use the Cirago dongle with no problems on 10.7.3 (Lion) - but unfortunately it doesn't appear to work with Mountain Lion (10.8) >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Michael Kroll <m.kroll(a)mac.com> wrote: >>> The cirago USB dongle. >>> >>> Kind Regards/Mit freundlichen Grüssen, >>> Dr. Michael Kroll >>> --- >>> Blog: http://www.mkroll.mobi >>> Forum: http://forum.mkroll.mobi >>> >>> On 23.08.2012, at 18:50, Njection Gmail <njection(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Which usb ble dongle did you use? >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 23, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Michael Kroll <m.kroll(a)mac.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> I tested the procedure described in the document: https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#technotes/tn2295/_index.html#//app… OSX10.8.1 >>>>> without success. >>>>> >>>>> So it seems that the problem persists :-( >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Michael. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>>> Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) >>>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/njection%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> This email sent to njection(a)gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/markmp%40gmail.com >>> >>> This email sent to markmp(a)gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/raminf%40gmail.com >>> >>> This email sent to raminf(a)gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/rmann%40latencyzero.c… >> >> This email sent to rmann(a)latencyzero.com > > > -- > Rick > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/louie%40transsys.com > > This email sent to louie(a)transsys.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/site_archiver%40lists… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Testing Core Bluetooth Applications in the iOS Simulator on OSX 10.8.1
by Rick Mann 29 Aug '12

29 Aug '12

I have the BlueGiga dongle, and I have not been able to get it to work, but I have not tried very hard. On Aug 28, 2012, at 16:56 , Ramin Firoozye <raminf(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Not on mid-2011 Macs without built-in BT 4.0. I've tried three separate BTLE dongles (TI, BlueGiga, and CSR) and none of them work. This is under Mountain Lion with iOS 5.1 and 6 simulators. > > Filed rdar://12193315 for these. > > Thanks, > Ramin > > On Aug 27, 2012, at 6:44 PM, Mark Palatucci <markmp(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I use the Cirago dongle with no problems on 10.7.3 (Lion) - but unfortunately it doesn't appear to work with Mountain Lion (10.8) >> >> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Michael Kroll <m.kroll(a)mac.com> wrote: >> The cirago USB dongle. >> >> Kind Regards/Mit freundlichen Grüssen, >> Dr. Michael Kroll >> --- >> Blog: http://www.mkroll.mobi >> Forum: http://forum.mkroll.mobi >> >> On 23.08.2012, at 18:50, Njection Gmail <njection(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Which usb ble dongle did you use? >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > On Aug 23, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Michael Kroll <m.kroll(a)mac.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Hi, >> >> I tested the procedure described in the document: https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#technotes/tn2295/_index.html#//app… OSX10.8.1 >> >> without success. >> >> >> >> So it seems that the problem persists :-( >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Michael. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> >> Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) >> >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/njection%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> This email sent to njection(a)gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/markmp%40gmail.com >> >> This email sent to markmp(a)gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/raminf%40gmail.com >> >> This email sent to raminf(a)gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/rmann%40latencyzero.c… > > This email sent to rmann(a)latencyzero.com -- Rick _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/site_archiver%40lists… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Testing Core Bluetooth Applications in the iOS Simulator on OSX 10.8.1
by Ramin Firoozye 28 Aug '12

28 Aug '12

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