September 2013 - Bluetooth-dev

Re: Bluetooth Accessory Design Guidelines connection parameters
by Etan Kissling 20 Sep '13

20 Sep '13

When comparing with the old document version (R6), the error seems to be that a new line is missing. There, the section you point out was: Interval Min + 20 ms ≤ Interval Max Slave Latency ≤ 4 Etan On 20.09.2013, at 13:05, Janusz Bossy <janusz.bossy(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I work at a company that develops a Bluetooth accessory for mobile > devices including iPhones, iPods and iPads. We're working with the > Bluetooth Design Guidelines and we've found a bug in the document. In > the connection parameters section it states: > > Interval Min + 20 ms ≤ Interval Max Slave Latency ≤ 4 > > Is there a missing operator between "Interval Max" and "Slave Latency" > and the "4" lacks a unit beside it (is that seconds)? > > -- > Regards, > Janusz Bossy > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/kissling%40oberon.ch > > This email sent to kissling(a)oberon.ch _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/site_archiver%40lists… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Bluetooth Accessory Design Guidelines connection parameters
by Janusz Bossy 20 Sep '13

20 Sep '13

Hi, I work at a company that develops a Bluetooth accessory for mobile devices including iPhones, iPods and iPads. We're working with the Bluetooth Design Guidelines and we've found a bug in the document. In the connection parameters section it states: Interval Min + 20 ms ≤ Interval Max Slave Latency ≤ 4 Is there a missing operator between "Interval Max" and "Slave Latency" and the "4" lacks a unit beside it (is that seconds)? -- Regards, Janusz Bossy _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/site_archiver%40lists… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: iOS 7 Simulator Bluetooth nonexistent
by John Earl 20 Sep '13

20 Sep '13

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Re: iOS 7 Simulator Bluetooth nonexistent
by Etan Kissling 20 Sep '13

20 Sep '13

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Re: iOS 7 Simulator Bluetooth nonexistent
by Matthew Chung 19 Sep '13

19 Sep '13

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Re: BLE authentication query
by Etan Kissling 19 Sep '13

19 Sep '13

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Re: iOS 7 Simulator Bluetooth nonexistent
by Etan Kissling 19 Sep '13

19 Sep '13

Complaining won't fix it :-) > On 19.09.2013, at 08:39, "Rick Mann" <rmann(a)latencyzero.com> wrote: > > >> On Sep 18, 2013, at 23:31 , Etan Kissling <kissling(a)oberon.ch> wrote: >> >> Would a demo mode be an alternative within the app? So that the app can be used with a simulated peripheral? This also helps users to understand what your app does without buying the accessory. > > Of course, and I've been championing that in the company, but so far, they don't think it's worth the effort. It's getting traction. > > But it's still a lot of work for me, and the fact that I was able to use Bluetooth (with pain) in 6.1 makes it all the more frustrating. I would rather Apple have put another engineer in the Bluetooth team to work on this than re-skinning the OS. > >> >>> On 19.09.2013, at 08:19, "Rick Mann" <rmann(a)latencyzero.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On Sep 18, 2013, at 22:57 , Etan Kissling <kissling(a)oberon.ch> wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm also developing Bluetooth-based apps and did not feel such an urge for a aimulator. What does prevent you from using physical devices to test the Bluetooth-based parts of your app? >>> >>> My app depends pretty heavily on BLE to "unlock" the rest of the UI. I can't test very much of my app without BLE. >>> >>> The device is slow. Maybe if Apple hadn't gotten rid of Firewire, or if they'd move to Thunderbolt, but for now, it takes a long time to install a build, and to exchange debugging data, on a device. >>> >>> -- >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/rmann%40latencyzero.c… >> >> This email sent to rmann(a)latencyzero.com > > > -- > Rick > > > _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/site_archiver%40lists… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: iOS 7 Simulator Bluetooth nonexistent
by Rick Mann 19 Sep '13

19 Sep '13

On Sep 18, 2013, at 23:31 , Etan Kissling <kissling(a)oberon.ch> wrote: > Would a demo mode be an alternative within the app? So that the app can be used with a simulated peripheral? This also helps users to understand what your app does without buying the accessory. Of course, and I've been championing that in the company, but so far, they don't think it's worth the effort. It's getting traction. But it's still a lot of work for me, and the fact that I was able to use Bluetooth (with pain) in 6.1 makes it all the more frustrating. I would rather Apple have put another engineer in the Bluetooth team to work on this than re-skinning the OS. > >> On 19.09.2013, at 08:19, "Rick Mann" <rmann(a)latencyzero.com> wrote: >> >> >>> On Sep 18, 2013, at 22:57 , Etan Kissling <kissling(a)oberon.ch> wrote: >>> >>> I'm also developing Bluetooth-based apps and did not feel such an urge for a aimulator. What does prevent you from using physical devices to test the Bluetooth-based parts of your app? >> >> My app depends pretty heavily on BLE to "unlock" the rest of the UI. I can't test very much of my app without BLE. >> >> The device is slow. Maybe if Apple hadn't gotten rid of Firewire, or if they'd move to Thunderbolt, but for now, it takes a long time to install a build, and to exchange debugging data, on a device. >> >> -- >> Rick >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/rmann%40latencyzero.c… > > This email sent to rmann(a)latencyzero.com -- Rick _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/site_archiver%40lists… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: iOS 7 Simulator Bluetooth nonexistent
by Etan Kissling 19 Sep '13

19 Sep '13

Would a demo mode be an alternative within the app? So that the app can be used with a simulated peripheral? This also helps users to understand what your app does without buying the accessory. > On 19.09.2013, at 08:19, "Rick Mann" <rmann(a)latencyzero.com> wrote: > > >> On Sep 18, 2013, at 22:57 , Etan Kissling <kissling(a)oberon.ch> wrote: >> >> I'm also developing Bluetooth-based apps and did not feel such an urge for a aimulator. What does prevent you from using physical devices to test the Bluetooth-based parts of your app? > > My app depends pretty heavily on BLE to "unlock" the rest of the UI. I can't test very much of my app without BLE. > > The device is slow. Maybe if Apple hadn't gotten rid of Firewire, or if they'd move to Thunderbolt, but for now, it takes a long time to install a build, and to exchange debugging data, on a device. > > -- > Rick > > > _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/site_archiver%40lists… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: iOS 7 Simulator Bluetooth nonexistent
by Rick Mann 19 Sep '13

19 Sep '13

On Sep 18, 2013, at 22:57 , Etan Kissling <kissling(a)oberon.ch> wrote: > I'm also developing Bluetooth-based apps and did not feel such an urge for a aimulator. What does prevent you from using physical devices to test the Bluetooth-based parts of your app? My app depends pretty heavily on BLE to "unlock" the rest of the UI. I can't test very much of my app without BLE. The device is slow. Maybe if Apple hadn't gotten rid of Firewire, or if they'd move to Thunderbolt, but for now, it takes a long time to install a build, and to exchange debugging data, on a device. -- Rick _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Bluetooth-dev mailing list (Bluetooth-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/bluetooth-dev/site_archiver%40lists… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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