March 2012 - colorsync-users

Re: Color Man. Text Book (José Ángel Bueno García)
by Paul Sherfield 21 Mar '12

21 Mar '12

Hi all Another thought is the 'Eizo Desktop Color Handbook', bad spelling :-) the last one I have is 2010. Reasonable comprehensive look at desktop colour management, and does not focus on their screens too much. More info here: http://www.eizo.com/global/products/library/#tab04 Regards Paul Sherfield The Missing Horse Consultancy Ltd Telephone : + 44 1442 207626 Mobile: + 44 7899 906385 http://www.missinghorsecons.co.uk http://twitter.com/#!/missinghorse Apple Solutions Expert - Print & Publishing Member - UK TC130 Technical Advisory Group (ISO 12647 Printing Standards) UK Expert: ISO TC130/Working Group 13 on certification of printing standards Chair BPIF UK ISO 12647 Certification Steering Group Member - BPIF Technical Standards Committee Lean and green? To save money and become a greener printer, see http://www.greenprinter.co.uk http://www.keeconsultants.com Reduce your carbon footprint http://www.1010uk.org This email and any attachments may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of addressee. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, any disclosure, copying or other distribution is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete all copies from your system. Email may be susceptible to data corruption, interception and unauthorised amendment. We do not accept liability for any such corruption, interception or amendment or the consequences thereof. We do not accept liability for any action or inaction by the recipient as a result of advice or information contained within this email. >

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Re: Color Man. Text Book
by Rob Griffith 19 Mar '12

19 Mar '12

Hi David Whilst by no means as comprehensive or as technical as the other titles that have been mentioned our own book on colour management is available as a free PDF download. It is up to date with software versions etc. We're out of stock of the hard copy at the moment. http://www.nativedigital.com/practical-colour-management-v3-ebook-pdf/ Regards Rob Griffith > This is a question primarily for the educators on the list. Which text > book do you recommend for a course on Color Management? > > I started teaching at a local college and I've been using Real World > Color Management, 2nd edition, by Bruce Fraser, Chris Murphy, and Fred > Bunting. This book is out of print, and Chris tells me there won't be > a 3rd edition, but the publisher has a PDF available for purchase. > > The majority of the book is still very useful, its just that some of > the software and operating systems have been updated. Where I can I > provide the students with Web addresses that cover issues related to > software and updates. > > The college has made this course mandatory for the Graphic Design > Degree and I wanted to see about some other reference material. > > Thank you, > David Wollmann

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Color Man. Text Book
by david wollmann 19 Mar '12

19 Mar '12

Hi, This is a question primarily for the educators on the list. Which text book do you recommend for a course on Color Management? I started teaching at a local college and I've been using Real World Color Management, 2nd edition, by Bruce Fraser, Chris Murphy, and Fred Bunting. This book is out of print, and Chris tells me there won't be a 3rd edition, but the publisher has a PDF available for purchase. The majority of the book is still very useful, its just that some of the software and operating systems have been updated. Where I can I provide the students with Web addresses that cover issues related to software and updates. The college has made this course mandatory for the Graphic Design Degree and I wanted to see about some other reference material. Thank you, David Wollmann

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Re: Color Management Books
by Paul Sherfield 17 Mar '12

17 Mar '12

Try 'Digital Color Management' by Jan-Peter Homann Available in English: http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Color-Management-Jan-Peter-Homann/dp/35406711 96/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1331978833&sr=1-2 Paul Sherfield The Missing Horse Consultancy Ltd Telephone : + 44 1442 207626 Mobile: + 44 7899 906385 http://www.missinghorsecons.co.uk http://twitter.com/#!/missinghorse Apple Solutions Expert - Print & Publishing Member - UK TC130 Technical Advisory Group (ISO 12647 Printing Standards) UK Expert: ISO TC130/Working Group 13 on certification of printing standards Chair BPIF UK ISO 12647 Certification Steering Group Member - BPIF Technical Standards Committee Lean and green? To save money and become a greener printer, see http://www.greenprinter.co.uk http://www.keeconsultants.com Reduce your carbon footprint http://www.1010uk.org This email and any attachments may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of addressee. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, any disclosure, copying or other distribution is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete all copies from your system. Email may be susceptible to data corruption, interception and unauthorised amendment. We do not accept liability for any such corruption, interception or amendment or the consequences thereof. We do not accept liability for any action or inaction by the recipient as a result of advice or information contained within this email. >

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Re:Null Profile
by faro mojahedi 15 Mar '12

15 Mar '12

Im my expreince, printing an RGB image through Adobe driver always gives me better results (bigger gamut) than printing through EFI RIP and I have already tried out the options discussed in this thread. Faro ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 12:11:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Zaucha <zbet66(a)yahoo.com> To: colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com Subject: Null Profile Message-ID: <1331752306.30941.YahooMailClassic(a)web110406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi All,I am using the EFI XF Rip with some HP and Epson plotters. My client wants a media setup version that allows his staff's Adobe RGB based files to print maximum gamut out of the plotters. Accuracy is not an issue, just the idea of maximum color. Is there a way to produce a good "null" color profile that does not restrict the gamut of the our put printer? The Rip allows RGB profiles for output. Using Adobe RGB for the output profile makes for beautiful full gamut Yellows but many of the other Hues are darkened at the 255 values. Randy ZauchaManaged Color

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Re: Dell UltraSharp U2410 24-inch Monitor
by Dennis Dunbar 15 Mar '12

15 Mar '12

Pat, Actually when I used the reference image I got from David Hunter a few years ago to check the smoothness of the gradations I was very impressed with how smooth they looked on this monitor. For the money I think this monitor is a "Win". Dennis Dunbar Blog: http://www.dunbardigital.com/blog/blog.php Website: http://www.dunbardigital.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/DennisDunbar On Mar 14, 2012, at 12:00 PM, colorsync-users-request(a)lists.apple.com wrote: > I am curious to know if anyone detects more banding than usual on > these wide-gamut Dells? Considering what a wide gamut these have > and that they are limited to 256 steps of color resolution in the > graphics card when you profile them, you would expect to see some > banding - gradients of color blocking up and looking "chunky" > instead of smooth. This is the reason Eizo's and NEC's have their > built-in graphics capability... to lessen the likelihood of banding > happening with wide gamut monitors. Dennis, have you seen this with > yours? > > Pat Herold > herold(a)chromix.com

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Null Profile
by Randy Zaucha 14 Mar '12

14 Mar '12

Hi All,I am using the EFI XF Rip with some HP and Epson plotters. My client wants a media setup version that allows his staff's Adobe RGB based files to print maximum gamut out of the plotters. Accuracy is not an issue, just the idea of maximum color. Is there a way to produce a good "null" color profile that does not restrict the gamut of the our put printer? The Rip allows RGB profiles for output. Using Adobe RGB for the output profile makes for beautiful full gamut Yellows but many of the other Hues are darkened at the 255 values. Randy ZauchaManaged Color

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CMYK RIPs vs RGB RIPs. Advice, Input, Comments.
by sngraphics 14 Mar '12

14 Mar '12

The past few years our output consisted of an Epson 4880 with ColorBurst's X-Proof Plus RIP (CMYK). Our monastery recently purchased an Epson Stylus Pro 7900 to replace our Epson 4880. Now we need a RIP for the 7900 (24") version. I have been trying/using demos of different RIPs and I've tried these RGB RIPs that work off the driver of the manufacturer. So far It looks like I'll stay with ColorBurst. But they have one of each of these products. Their X-Proof Plus RIP (CMYK) and their Overdrive RIP (RGB) (which now they are focusing on & promoting) ***What I need help with is finding out the differences between a CMYK & RGB RIP. (Not specific to ColorBurst)*** Does one have certain advantages over another? If I purchase an RGB RIP am I missing out on some color profiling options I would have with a CMYK RIP? This is more of a question of behind the scenes, nuts & bolts stuff and not menus & print options. I own an Eye1 Pro and want to do some profiling. More so to keep things accurate. Not getting into too advanced stuff. Any info or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank You. God Bless. Fr.Damian Saint Nektarios Monastery Roscoe, NY

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Re: Dell UltraSharp U2410 24-inch Monitor
by Pat Herold 13 Mar '12

13 Mar '12

I am curious to know if anyone detects more banding than usual on these wide-gamut Dells? Considering what a wide gamut these have and that they are limited to 256 steps of color resolution in the graphics card when you profile them, you would expect to see some banding - gradients of color blocking up and looking "chunky" instead of smooth. This is the reason Eizo's and NEC's have their built-in graphics capability... to lessen the likelihood of banding happening with wide gamut monitors. Dennis, have you seen this with yours? Pat Herold herold(a)chromix.com 866.247.6649 > > From: Dennis Dunbar <dennis(a)dunbardigital.com> > Date: March 12, 2012 12:32:23 PM PDT > To: colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com > Subject: Re: Dell UltraSharp U2410 24-inch Monitor. Buying advice. Input or Comments > > > I bought one of these in January and have been very impressed with it. The color gamut is very good (about 98% of Adobe RGB), it was very easy to calibrate and profile and has been great to work with. > > The only slight negative is that mine seems to need about 15 - 20 minutes to warm up before it looks right. Most of the other monitors I've had looked closer when first fired up in the morning, but after a few minutes this one looks ready to go. > > Though I wish my budget allowed for the cooler NECs or Eizos with a kid going off to college next year I gotta watch every $$ I spend, so this has been a very satisfactory compromise between budget and quality for me. > > HTH > > Dennis Dunbar

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Thoughts on new displays for Mac workstations.
by Dean Mackey 12 Mar '12

12 Mar '12

We are in a position to upgrade our old Mac workstations to new MacPros. As part of the upgrade we are interested in getting new displays along with each station. Currently, it's a bit of a hodgepodge of displays being used across the four stations; hopefully we can purchase the same model for each of them so there can be some consistency in the overall production environment. From a color management stand point, we don't want to just blindly invest in the Apple 27-inch LED Cinema displays if there is something for the same price point that is better suited for color critical work. For example, two of the stations are currently using Samsung SyncMaster 245Ts, and we've been pretty happy with their performance. Does anyone have any thoughts on the suitability of the Apple display vs other displays on the market. Any advice is appreciated. Thanks, Dean Dean Mackey Senior Graphic Designer Creative Services | Rice University | Allen Center, Suite 200 - MS 95 | 6100 S. Main, Houston, TX 77005 | Office 713.348.6767 | Fax 713.348.6757 | dmack(a)rice.edu

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