March 2018 - colorsync-users

RE: Screen & Print Calibration
by Roger Breton 19 Mar '18

19 Mar '18

You’d be surprised by the quality of profiles spitted out by the Munki. / Roger From: Anthony R Sanna [mailto:asanna@ismaldo.com] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 11:58 AM To: Roger Breton <graxx(a)videotron.ca> Cc: 'colorsync-users?lists.apple.com' List <colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com> Subject: Re: Screen & Print Calibration On Mar 18, 2018, at 3:47 PM, Roger Breton <graxx(a)videotron.ca <mailto:graxx@videotron.ca> > wrote: If I was at his place, I would leave everything to defaults in the nvidia control panel -- all linear. Let basICColor Display manage the video card trough other structures. Thank you all for your help. Since my friend is a beginner at this - just starting to take pictures and learn Photoshop - would one of the two X-Rite packages, i1Photo Pro2 or the ColorMunki Photo give him all the hardware/software to profile his display and paper? I don’t know what his budget is, but is the i1Photo Pro2 substantially a better package? Tony - Anthony Sanna (608) 206-3134 asanna(a)ismaldo.com <mailto:asanna@ismaldo.com> www.tonysanna.com <http://www.tonysanna.com>

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Screen Calibration
by Matthew Ward 19 Mar '18

19 Mar '18

On 18/03/2018 19:00, colorsync-users-request(a)lists.apple.com wrote: > Today's Topics: > > 1. Screen Calibration (Anthony R Sanna) What equipment should I recommend to get him started? 700cd/m2? His prints appear dark because he has probably temporarily blinded himself. Get him to order a pair of welding goggles. Kit recomendation: Color Management & quality output by Tom P. Ashe ISBN 978-0-240-82111-5? Colormunki by Xrite work reasonably well on imacs & laptops but in my experiece work considerably less well on higher colour gamut screens.(Maybe pilot error) Best Matthew -- Matthew Ward matthew(a)matthewwardphotography.com www.matthewwardphotography.com www.imagebasedlighting.co.uk --

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Re: Screen Calibration
by tlabarbera 18 Mar '18

18 Mar '18

>>Anthony R Sanna <asanna(a)ismaldo.com>: His situation is also complicated by his graphics card which is a Nvidia GeForce GTX 960, which I gather is a higher end gaming card. He’s on a PC and the Nvidea has its own control panel to set the parameters for the display. First...which OS is he running--hopefully not Win10 (ugh!)? I'm running a Win7 (pro/64bit) system with a NVIDIA GeForce GT740--I don't game so I'm clueless as to what's necessary for gaming. I have set the NVIDIA Display Driver Service to "manual" and the NVIDIA Stereoscopic Driver Service to "disabled"--via Control Panel > Administrative Tools > Services: then scroll down the alphabetical list looking for "nvidia", highlight the item, right-click, choose "Properties", click on the "Stop" button if necessary, change the "Startup" type via the dropdown menu. Note that on a previous system, I had uninstalled all NVIDIA's 3D Vision stuff but on my current system, I've never gotten around to doing that and setting the 3D Service to disabled works just as well. I use a DataColor Spyder to calibrate my monitor. Works nicely and I'd recommend it--there are other hardware calibrators but I've never used them. >>His original question to me was “why are my prints always too dark” when he claims to have the display set at 700cd/m2. I generally set my Spyder calibration parameters using the following: Gamma=2.2, Temp/White Point=6500k, Brightness=120cd/m2. Prints too dark can be a profile (print setting) problem--if using Photohop, what monitor profile is he using (I use a variation of BruceRBG) and if he's not calibrated his monitor, he's lucky to get anything useful when printing...'-}} Hope the above proves useful... Terrie tlbtlb(a)mail.com

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Screen Calibration
by Anthony R Sanna 18 Mar '18

18 Mar '18

I’m helping a friend get started with Color Management and the starting point is profiling his display. I use Eizos with the popup colorimeter and haven’t looked at the market for calibrators in a long time. I need some advice on what to recommend to him. His situation is also complicated by his graphics card which is a Nvidia GeForce GTX 960, which I gather is a higher end gaming card. He’s on a PC and the Nvidea has its own control panel to set the parameters for the display. I didn’t get a good look at all the options, but it seems like a set of controls to made to screw up the simple profiling of the display. I’m not sure if he plays games with it, but he does want to get into photo editing. His original question to me was “why are my prints always too dark” when he claims to have the display set at 700cd/m2. What equipment should I recommend to get him started? Thanks. Tony - Anthony Sanna (608) 206-3134 asanna(a)ismaldo.com <mailto:asanna@ismaldo.com> www.tonysanna.com

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Photoshop - Abstract profiles and Color Lookup.
by Axel Robert 08 Mar '18

08 Mar '18

Dear all, I would like to do a test but it seems it’s impossible so far. Maybe somebody will prove the contrary. I opened a RGB file with an ICC embedded workspace profile. I chose a color lookup as adjustment layers in order to load a DeviceLink. But while it works for a CMY2CMYK conversion, this use doesn’t work for a RGB2CMYK one. Do you confirm? Thank you. Regards, Axel Axel Robert | Prepress Manager UBISOFT |EMEA Manufacturing 28, rue Armand Carrel | 93100 Montreuil | France Tel: +33(0)1 48 18 52 03 | Skype: axelprepress [soft+Horizontal+Logo+BLACK (1)]

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Re: Canon imagePROGRAF PRO-1000
by David Wollmann 05 Mar '18

05 Mar '18

Hi Tony, This is off topic from the thread but wanted to share an experience. I once had trouble making a Giclée print with an Epson on canvas that contained dark tones. The original was an oil painting and my ¾ tones were dark saturated purples that kept going to black or near black–a lot of black streaks that now looked like brush strokes. After tweaking things in the RIP, StudioPrint, and other tricks without success, I finally looked at the GCR. That solved the issue by adjusting the GCR black curve. I tried various curves but ended up using a setting of no K for my custom profile. Once black was removed then I had a print I could work with and tweak those heavy saturated colors. David Wollmann > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2018 12:38:41 -0600 > From: Anthony R Sanna <asanna(a)ismaldo.com> > To: Pappas George <george(a)pappasonline.net>, > "'colorsync-users?lists.apple.com' List" > <colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com> > Subject: Re: Canon imagePROGRAF PRO-1000 > Message-ID: <E677BBB2-9038-4892-936C-18D70CEA8D16(a)ismaldo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > >> On Mar 5, 2018, at 7:49 AM, Pappas George <george(a)pappasonline.net> wrote: >> >> I started using Imageprint several years ago and came to appreciate it for better print quality and color management predictability given Apple/Epson/Adobe constantly messing with subtle changes that disrupt color management. > > I gave up on ImagePrint after using for many generations of the software. I started testing IP after I ran into situations where it couldn’t print areas of saturated color. The first instance that got me started was the side of a building that was a deep saturated blue on my Eizo that IP printed as black. As I went back through my prints I found other areas of saturated color that IP couldn’t render on my 3880 that I just overlooked at the time. > > When I started to compare the 3D gamuts of profiles in ColorThink (IP’s, custom, and canned) I couldn’t believe the difference. The IP gamuts were very limited - tiny, in fact - when compared with either custom or canned profiles for the Epson - even, if I’m remembering correctly, smaller than sRGB or CMYK gamuts I looked at. I’d post a picture of a CT IP gamut, but shortly thereafter I ditched the software and it’s profiles. > > > > Tony > - > Anthony Sanna > (608) 206-3134 > asanna(a)ismaldo.com <mailto:asanna@ismaldo.com> > www.tonysanna.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > colorsync-users mailing list > colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/colorsync-users > > > ------------------------------ > > End of colorsync-users Digest, Vol 15, Issue 19 > ***********************************************

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Re: Canon imagePROGRAF PRO-1000
by Rich Wagner 05 Mar '18

05 Mar '18

On Sun, 04 Mar 2018 at 10:47:48 -0500, Roger Breton <graxx(a)videotron.ca> wrote: > > I'm longer able to unclog my Epson 4900, I see very faint nozzles lines in > LLK/Y/VLM/LC but I'm not sure how to go about further unclogging the heads. Roger, I’m in the same boat, and will likely throw this 4900 anchor overboard. Incredibly frustrating. It was nice having the same ink set as my 9900, but far too much time, ink and media needed to keep it operational. I have also given up on clearing the nozzles. I will think long and hard before buying another Epson. Also interested in alternatives. —Rich

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Re: Canon imagePROGRAF PRO-1000
by Keith Cooper 04 Mar '18

04 Mar '18

I've had several of these printers for reviews and rather liked the print quality of the PRO-1000, but for me, the 26" maximum print length would be a show stopper. http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/canon-pro-1000-printer-review/ For lighter usage, I'd pick the P800, with its roll support. http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/epson-surecolor-p800-printer-review/ I've now had an Epson P5000 here for a while and even with relatively light use it's been very resistant to any clogs - much more so than reports of the 4900 would suggest. http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/review-epson-p5000-printer/ One thing that it doesn't like though is foreign objects falling in to it - if anyone is curious, here's what happened with what we think was a paperclip... ;-) http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/repairing-epson-p5000-printer/ Bye for now Keith Cooper

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RE: colorsync-users Digest, Vol 15, Issue 17
by Roger Breton 04 Mar '18

04 Mar '18

It's good to know, Louis -- thank you! I only hear good things about Canon these days. / Roger -----Original Message----- From: colorsync-users [mailto:colorsync-users-bounces+graxx=videotron.ca@lists.apple.com] On Behalf Of Louis Dery Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 3:36 PM To: colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com Subject: Re: colorsync-users Digest, Vol 15, Issue 17 Hi Roger, I am using this printer every day for proofing. Works great! The Maintenance cartridge (MT-20) has to be replaced quite often. 11 color cartridge !! (which included CO (Color Optimizer) No Roll feed like Scott said. Foe speed, it depends the mode you are using. High quality is not too bad but Standard is faster and the difference is not that bad. 3 print heads the t can be replaced. Ink: about 71$ CAN per 80ml. cartridge. Hope this help! Louis Dery louisdery(a)videotron.ca Rés.: 418-877-2381 Cell.: 418-805-9689 > On Mar 4, 2018, at 3:00 PM, colorsync-users-request(a)lists.apple.com wrote: > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2018 10:47:48 -0500 > From: Roger Breton <graxx(a)videotron.ca <mailto:graxx@videotron.ca>> > To: "''colorsync-users?lists.apple.com <http://lists.apple.com/>' List'" > <colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com > <mailto:colorsync-users@lists.apple.com>> > Subject: Canon imagePROGRAF PRO-1000 > Message-ID: <010601d3b3d0$25ea5500$71beff00$(a)videotron.ca <mailto:010601d3b3d0$25ea5500$71beff00$@videotron.ca>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I'm longer able to unclog my Epson 4900, I see very faint nozzles > lines in LLK/Y/VLM/LC but I'm not sure how to go about further unclogging the heads. > > I'm looking at alternatives. Why not another Epson printer, you say? P5000? > P800? After giving my money to Epson all these years, printers after > printers, I'd like to consider the alternative, once and for all. It > does not seem HP has any offerings in the 17" segment which leaves me with Canon. > > > > Anyone with any experience with Canon imagePROGRAF PRO-1000? Color > management wise? > > > > Best / Roger _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. colorsync-users mailing list (colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/colorsync-users/graxx%40videotron.ca This email sent to graxx(a)videotron.ca

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Canon imagePROGRAF PRO-1000
by Roger Breton 04 Mar '18

04 Mar '18

Louis, How easy/difficult does Canon make it for creating custom ICC profiles? Do they have an option for "No color management" available at the time to printing a characterization target? I see that they have a "plug-in" for Photoshop but I have not dig any further... Is that plug-in available from, say, InDesign as well? Or is it just a matter a making selections in the RGB printer driver? (I assume the driver is RGB...) Best / Roger -----Original Message----- From: colorsync-users [mailto:colorsync-users-bounces+graxx=videotron.ca@lists.apple.com] On Behalf Of Louis Dery Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 3:36 PM To: colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com Subject: Re: colorsync-users Digest, Vol 15, Issue 17 Hi Roger, I am using this printer every day for proofing. Works great! The Maintenance cartridge (MT-20) has to be replaced quite often. 11 color cartridge !! (which included CO (Color Optimizer) No Roll feed like Scott said. Foe speed, it depends the mode you are using. High quality is not too bad but Standard is faster and the difference is not that bad. 3 print heads the t can be replaced. Ink: about 71$ CAN per 80ml. cartridge. Hope this help! Louis Dery louisdery(a)videotron.ca Rés.: 418-877-2381 Cell.: 418-805-9689 > On Mar 4, 2018, at 3:00 PM, colorsync-users-request(a)lists.apple.com wrote: > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2018 10:47:48 -0500 > From: Roger Breton <graxx(a)videotron.ca <mailto:graxx@videotron.ca>> > To: "''colorsync-users?lists.apple.com <http://lists.apple.com/>' List'" > <colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com > <mailto:colorsync-users@lists.apple.com>> > Subject: Canon imagePROGRAF PRO-1000 > Message-ID: <010601d3b3d0$25ea5500$71beff00$(a)videotron.ca <mailto:010601d3b3d0$25ea5500$71beff00$@videotron.ca>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I'm longer able to unclog my Epson 4900, I see very faint nozzles > lines in LLK/Y/VLM/LC but I'm not sure how to go about further unclogging the heads. > > I'm looking at alternatives. Why not another Epson printer, you say? P5000? > P800? After giving my money to Epson all these years, printers after > printers, I'd like to consider the alternative, once and for all. It > does not seem HP has any offerings in the 17" segment which leaves me with Canon. > > > > Anyone with any experience with Canon imagePROGRAF PRO-1000? Color > management wise? > > > > Best / Roger _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. colorsync-users mailing list (colorsync-users(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/colorsync-users/graxx%40videotron.ca This email sent to graxx(a)videotron.ca

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