November 2005 - Darwin-dev - lists.apple.com

Re: darwinbuild
by Kevin Van Vechten 13 Nov '05

13 Nov '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Thanks, - Kevin [1] <http://lists.apple.com/tc.html> _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… As list moderator, I feel the following are examples of abusive language. Please refrain from making any further abusive comments toward other subscribers. I suggest you take the time to read the Apple mailing lists' Terms and Conditions[1]. On Nov 13, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Dale Walsh wrote: OK so when they ask me questions about the problem I'll have answers so why are you opening your pie-hole??? On Nov 13, 2005, at 12:56 PM, Dale Walsh wrote: Good, then I don't have to worry about moronic responses coming from you now. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: darwinbuild
by Dale Walsh 13 Nov '05

13 Nov '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Mta-interface: amavisd-new-2.3.3 (20050822) at daleenterprise.com On Nov 13, 2005, at 17:42 , Finlay Dobbie wrote: On 13/11/05, Dale Walsh <dale(a)daleenterprise.com> wrote: OK so when they ask me questions about the problem I'll have answers so why are you opening your pie-hole?? In case you didn't notice, Shantonu already replied to your message and you flagrantly disregarded his advice. I'd also like to point out that darwinbuild works for me and I contributed a fair few patches that are used to facilitate the building of packages outside of Apple. But hey, apparently I'm just misguided and don't have anything useful to contribute. -- Finlay -- Dale _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… It very well may work for you and the projects you do build and you may have contributed but this has nothing to do with the problem I have been experiencing. Some projects build without issues, others have small issues but the perl module, it doesn't build properly no matter how you slice it and I've tried the project on 5 different machine in different configurations all running Server software and not one has been successful so I wouldn't say this is an isolated case. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: darwinbuild
by Shantonu Sen 13 Nov '05

13 Nov '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Shantonu On Nov 13, 2005, at 12:56 PM, Dale Walsh wrote: On Nov 13, 2005, at 15:31 , Shawn Erickson wrote: On Nov 13, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Dale Walsh wrote: _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… As one of the primary developers of darwinbuild, don't plan on getting response from me either. I asked politely how and where any why to report issues. This is not a Darwin Development issue, it's a problem with DarwinBuild (an OpenDarwin project). Don't expect every piece of software that happens to build on Darwin/Mac OS X to use this mailing list as a bug reporting venue. OK so when they ask me questions about the problem I'll have answers so why are you opening your pie-hole??? Bye Dale. You are the first person (well except for Xah) I have setup to go direct /dev/null. -Shawn Good, then I don't have to worry about moronic responses coming from you now. -- Dale _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/ssen% 40opendarwin.org This email sent to ssen(a)opendarwin.org This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: darwinbuild
by Dale Walsh 13 Nov '05

13 Nov '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Mta-interface: amavisd-new-2.3.3 (20050822) at daleenterprise.com On Nov 13, 2005, at 15:31 , Shawn Erickson wrote: On Nov 13, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Dale Walsh wrote: -- Dale _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… OK so when they ask me questions about the problem I'll have answers so why are you opening your pie-hole??? Bye Dale. You are the first person (well except for Xah) I have setup to go direct /dev/null. -Shawn Good, then I don't have to worry about moronic responses coming from you now. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: darwinbuild
by Markus Hitter 13 Nov '05

13 Nov '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Am 13.11.2005 um 21:28 schrieb Dale Walsh: ... why I should waste my time filing a bug report? ... ... no problem, I have resources and time. Your logic is outstanding. Have fun, Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: darwinbuild
by Shawn Erickson 13 Nov '05

13 Nov '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com On Nov 13, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Dale Walsh wrote: -Shawn _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… OK so when they ask me questions about the problem I'll have answers so why are you opening your pie-hole??? Bye Dale. You are the first person (well except for Xah) I have setup to go direct /dev/null. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: darwinbuild
by Dale Walsh 13 Nov '05

13 Nov '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Mta-interface: amavisd-new-2.3.3 (20050822) at daleenterprise.com On Nov 13, 2005, at 13:24 , Finlay Dobbie wrote: On 13/11/05, Dale Walsh <dale(a)daleenterprise.com> wrote: On Nov 13, 2005, at 12:21 , Finlay Dobbie wrote: On 13/11/05, Dale Walsh <dale(a)daleenterprise.com> wrote: On Nov 13, 2005, at 10:13 , Shantonu Sen wrote: This is something best discussed on the darwinbuild list. <http://www.opendarwin.org/mailman/listinfo/darwinbuild> The darwinbuild list appears to be an inappropriate venue for the issue. What makes you say that? They didn't write the software. What are you talking about? darwinbuild is an OpenDarwin project, written almost entirely by Kevin van Vechten and Shantonu Sen. I see so in filing a report, someone will immediately resolve the issue and provide a working solution. Please explain why you believe that to be a valid interpretation of what I wrote. Explain to me why I should waste my time filing a bug report? Because the software doesn't work properly I am unable to build useable software and am now waiting for someone to create 0.7.3 that works. -- Dale _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… OK so when they ask me questions about the problem I'll have answers so why are you opening your pie-hole??? Writing to the list does not mean a bug has been filed or will be filed. If you would like your issue to be remembered and tracked, file a bug. Your attitude is not helping you achieve this goal. I achieved my goal, all I'm doing is letting everyone here know there is a serious flaw in darwinbuild, if you want help fixing it no problem, I have resources and time. You're expecting me to do more than inform the group that a problem exists, why, I owe the group or the software nothing, it hasn't helped me in any way but waste my time trying to build software when it is definitely incapable of the simple feat that it's intended to perform. My attitude is this, if you are not directly related to the programming, development or fixing of bugs or, know what the problem is and know what the solution is then you're barking up the wrong tree by responding and your belief that anything you could contribute to this thread would ever be useful is misguided at best. -- Finlay This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: darwinbuild
by Dale Walsh 13 Nov '05

13 Nov '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Mta-interface: amavisd-new-2.3.3 (20050822) at daleenterprise.com On Nov 13, 2005, at 13:12 , Robert Schwalbe wrote: Not likely. - Finlay What makes you feel entitled to useable software when all you have to contribute seems to be whining and the complete unwillingness to rectify the situation via filing a bug report? Why in the world would you expect any one to go out of their way to lend you a hand when you are so blatantly opposed to doing so in return? -- Dale _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… I see so in filing a report, someone will immediately resolve the issue and provide a working solution. Because the software doesn't work properly I am unable to build useable software and am now waiting for someone to create 0.7.3 that works. If you expect participation and assistance from me then I expect the same in return, when someone is willing to examine the problem and look at finding a solution I'd bend over backwards in whatever manner I could. Asking me to jump through hoops in the hopes that someone may consider looking into the problem six months down the road has no appeal, that is wasted effort and time. My problem exists now, a solution is needed as quickly as possible, if someone doesn't see the seriousness of this problem then it doesn't say much about their intelligence. Thinking this was a related issue on one machine running Server 10.3.9 I moved to another Server 10.3.9 machine and experienced the same problem. OK so I'm thinking I have two machines and think it must just be OS version related so I move to a machine with Server 10.4.2 and try the same thing, darwinbuild builds without complaining however it complains about /dev/null and fails to do anything so on to the next machine, another Server 10.4.2, this time it builds darwinbuild, allows me to build 8C46 and 8F46 projects but when I try the 7W98 projects it builds the projects but gives the original problem of the invalid path when installing perl modules. To me this is a serious problem but hey, consider it what you want, I don't need darwinbuild, I was under the impression that it was a usefull tool but so far, it's quality sucks and no, this doesn't mean that kevin is a bad programmer, it just means that there is a flaw in the darwinbuild method that needs attention. Meanwhile, I'll hack the system and build it without darwinbuild until it gets fixed. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: building perl
by plumber 13 Nov '05

13 Nov '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com I've built and installed perl-25.2.tar.gz but something isn't right. Here's a session of updating a module (Archive::Tar) cpan> r CPAN: Storable loaded ok Going to read /private/var/root/.cpan/Metadata Database was generated on Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:45:35 GMT sorry on this it's not the darwinbuild or something else it's just u _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… OS is Mac OSX 10.3.9 server, darwinbuild is 0.7.1 (0.7.2 doesn't build). It appears to run fine with the exception that when I install modules they're going to a bad location. If I manually move the files everything appears to function as expected and the modules are recognized however I shouldn't have to go through the extra file moves. Package namespace installed latest in CPAN file Archive::Tar 0.23 1.26 K/KA/KANE/Archive- Tar-1.26.tar.gz BerkeleyDB 0.26 0.27 P/PM/PMQS/ BerkeleyDB-0.27.tar.gz CGI 3.10 3.11 L/LD/LDS/ CGI.pm-3.11.tar.gz This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: darwinbuild
by Sander Temme 13 Nov '05

13 Nov '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com On Nov 13, 2005, at 10:24 AM, Finlay Dobbie wrote: Guys, don't feed the trolls on this fine Sunday. S. -- sander(a)temme.net http://www.temme.net/sander/ PGP FP: 51B4 8727 466A 0BC3 69F4 B7B8 B2BE BC40 1529 24AF _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Your attitude is not helping you achieve this goal. smime.p7s

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