June 2006 - Darwin-dev - lists.apple.com

Re: USB driver vendor id/product id list?
by Brian Bechtel 24 Jun '06

24 Jun '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZfK1S+VpcmnyyBEQv9lUDzhhWs8K0Cx3BZfq60NW+PCkKPttFwWYipFN+06eLo2lBeRH++LuglkEoMltygvVE1y2Fjz/O9Tk4a9B8xqIA+u9wTEAfXvXo7j7Pk8U7p6eq0AXsTOUCfFNYBpde2AVWIjiAwnAUcwgVEJc5dZyiRA= No, I can't see how or why Apple would do that. Too much effort for too little return. Apple wants their developers to make money. or at least provide one where people could add entries That's <http://www.pcidatabase.com> and b) for a tool to be provide to MacOS X to actually look up this information. That's "ioreg -l" in a terminal window. System Profiler also provides this information. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… On 6/24/06, André-John Mas <ajmas(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: Would it be feasible a) for Apple to compile a list This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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USB driver vendor id/product id list?
by André-John Mas 24 Jun '06

24 Jun '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi, Andre _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… I recently went out looking for a driver for my USB device, a USB- RS232 adaptor, since MacOS X didn't support it out of the box. Using the vendor id and product id (0x2303 and 0x067b) as keyword searches I was able to find Mac compatible drivers for it. This is not the first time I have had to do something similar. In another scenario I actually looked at the chip-set to find a suitable driver. What struck me in this process is that there does not seem to be directory of vendor id and product id that is provided by MacOS X. This is a shame since some products that don't advertise themselves as being Mac compatible, are if you know what you should be checking for. Would it be feasible a) for Apple to compile a list, or at least provide one where people could add entries and b) for a tool to be provide to MacOS X to actually look up this information. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: cpufrequency
by Jonas Maebe 23 Jun '06

23 Jun '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com On 23 jun 2006, at 17:52, Dave Schroeder wrote: Jonas _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… How does any shielding around the machine protect against anything related to CPU frequency, from a scientific standpoint? If I don't turn off "Allow nap" in the Shark "Processor" systeem preferences on my G5, as soon as I start a cpu intensive game (or if I e.g. drag around large objects in a Keynote presentation), the machine starts emits some kind of chirping noise. I don't know what kind of stuff can be emitted other than noise, but there definitely are parts of my machine which appear to react in an externally discernible way to cpu power consumption changes (or at least to the rate at which it changes). This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: cpufrequency
by Dave Schroeder 23 Jun '06

23 Jun '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com - Dave On Jun 23, 2006, at 10:46 AM, Dirk Schelfhout wrote: _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com How does any shielding around the machine protect against anything related to CPU frequency, from a scientific standpoint? Why would going from 2GHz to 1GHz change anything? What about 1.5? 1.7? 1.2? ok seems I was to fast in posting, I did something wrong. I followed these steps and now it runs at 1 Ghz. I will post more later. I am going to remove the shielding around the machine now. :-) smime.p7s

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Re: cpufrequency
by Dirk Schelfhout 23 Jun '06

23 Jun '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com ok seems I was to fast in posting, I did something wrong. I followed these steps and now it runs at 1 Ghz. I will post more later. I am going to remove the shielding around the machine now. :-) Thank you very much Roberto sysctl -w speedit.setFID=0 On 23 Jun 2006, at 17:21, Roberto Cruz wrote: Regards On 23/06/2006, at 17:11, Dirk Schelfhout wrote: It works :-) for a few seconds, then the mole people change it back. :-( On 23 Jun 2006, at 10:56, Roberto Cruz wrote: On 14/06/2006, at 19:30, Dirk Schelfhout wrote: Hi, I am forced to work on a G4 laptop that can't use the new display. Kind Regards, This email sent to rcp(a)cryptonome.com Download Speedit V0.5 open a terminal an navigate to the directory of SpeedIt type sudo -s You will be asked for the password ./install.sh sysctrl -w speedit.setFID=0 and you have your iMac Core Duo running at 1.0 Ghz Regards This email sent to rcp(a)cryptonome.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… Ok do the following by now do not make sysctl speedit or sysctrl - a, this will bring back the default settings ( sorry security measure) do only what I explain on the las email if you want to check do sysctl kern or sysctl kerrn. what ever but do not show syctl speedit.setFID this change back to defaults. I introduce a security reset, and I left it on V0.5, if you show sysctl speedit.setFID will reset to defaults. Just don't make the system call this with sysctl -A or sysctl speedit, This is probably off topic, but anyways. But I am getting desperate. Is there a way for me to force an intel imac to run at a lower frequency ? My problem is that I am one of those energy sensitive persons that can't use cell phones. I have a brand new system sitting there that I can't use. Together with a nice 23 inch display. I am reasonably sure that if I can lower the clock the problem will go away. Since the source isn't there, I can't fix it myself. Please don't tell me to go and see a doctor. ( I personally am sure microwaves is the next asbest thing, but that discussion doesn't belong on this list ) Dirk _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/rcp% 40cryptonome.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/rcp% 40cryptonome.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: cpufrequency
by Roberto Cruz 23 Jun '06

23 Jun '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Regards On 23/06/2006, at 17:11, Dirk Schelfhout wrote: It works :-) for a few seconds, then the mole people change it back. :-( On 23 Jun 2006, at 10:56, Roberto Cruz wrote: On 14/06/2006, at 19:30, Dirk Schelfhout wrote: Hi, I am forced to work on a G4 laptop that can't use the new display. Kind Regards, This email sent to rcp(a)cryptonome.com Download Speedit V0.5 open a terminal an navigate to the directory of SpeedIt type sudo -s You will be asked for the password ./install.sh sysctrl -w speedit.setFID=0 and you have your iMac Core Duo running at 1.0 Ghz Regards _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/rcp%40cryptonome.com This email sent to rcp(a)cryptonome.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… I introduce a security reset, and I left it on V0.5, if you show sysctl speedit.setFID will reset to defaults. Just don't make the system call this with sysctl -A or sysctl speedit, This is probably off topic, but anyways. But I am getting desperate. Is there a way for me to force an intel imac to run at a lower frequency ? My problem is that I am one of those energy sensitive persons that can't use cell phones. I have a brand new system sitting there that I can't use. Together with a nice 23 inch display. I am reasonably sure that if I can lower the clock the problem will go away. Since the source isn't there, I can't fix it myself. Please don't tell me to go and see a doctor. ( I personally am sure microwaves is the next asbest thing, but that discussion doesn't belong on this list ) Dirk _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/rcp% 40cryptonome.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: cpufrequency
by Dirk Schelfhout 23 Jun '06

23 Jun '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com It works :-) for a few seconds, then the mole people change it back. :-( On 23 Jun 2006, at 10:56, Roberto Cruz wrote: On 14/06/2006, at 19:30, Dirk Schelfhout wrote: Hi, I am forced to work on a G4 laptop that can't use the new display. Kind Regards, This email sent to rcp(a)cryptonome.com Download Speedit V0.5 open a terminal an navigate to the directory of SpeedIt type sudo -s You will be asked for the password ./install.sh sysctrl -w speedit.setFID=0 and you have your iMac Core Duo running at 1.0 Ghz Regards _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This is probably off topic, but anyways. But I am getting desperate. Is there a way for me to force an intel imac to run at a lower frequency ? My problem is that I am one of those energy sensitive persons that can't use cell phones. I have a brand new system sitting there that I can't use. Together with a nice 23 inch display. I am reasonably sure that if I can lower the clock the problem will go away. Since the source isn't there, I can't fix it myself. Please don't tell me to go and see a doctor. ( I personally am sure microwaves is the next asbest thing, but that discussion doesn't belong on this list ) Dirk _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/rcp% 40cryptonome.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: cpufrequency
by Roberto Cruz 23 Jun '06

23 Jun '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com On 14/06/2006, at 19:30, Dirk Schelfhout wrote: Hi, I am forced to work on a G4 laptop that can't use the new display. Kind Regards, Dirk _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/rcp%40cryptonome.com This email sent to rcp(a)cryptonome.com Download Speedit V0.5 open a terminal an navigate to the directory of SpeedIt type sudo -s You will be asked for the password ./install.sh sysctrl -w speedit.setFID=0 and you have your iMac Core Duo running at 1.0 Ghz Regards _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This is probably off topic, but anyways. But I am getting desperate. Is there a way for me to force an intel imac to run at a lower frequency ? My problem is that I am one of those energy sensitive persons that can't use cell phones. I have a brand new system sitting there that I can't use. Together with a nice 23 inch display. I am reasonably sure that if I can lower the clock the problem will go away. Since the source isn't there, I can't fix it myself. Please don't tell me to go and see a doctor. ( I personally am sure microwaves is the next asbest thing, but that discussion doesn't belong on this list ) This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Where do I submit code to Apple?
by Jordan K. Hubbard 22 Jun '06

22 Jun '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com On Jun 22, 2006, at 9:51 AM, Markus Hitter wrote: Am 22.06.2006 um 16:31 schrieb Matt: - Jordan _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… I made some improvements to Darwin. Where do I submit the code to Apple? There is no official, direct channel to do so. While this is true, I think it's also fair to say that there are definitely "unofficial direct channels" where code improvements (or even bugs reports that aren't getting traction on bugreporter) are concerned. There are numerous Apple people on this list, myself included, who are more than willing to directly engage with people like Matt when the circumstances merit it (and time permits). I'd say that improvements to Darwin definitely fall into the category of "merit", though it would be nice to know what KIND of improvements have been made so that the appropriate Apple people can engage in on/ offline discussion. Kernel improvements would go to one group (or "unofficial direct channel" person), specific types of user land improvements to other people, and so on. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Where do I submit code to Apple?
by Rob Braun 22 Jun '06

22 Jun '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Mutt/1.4.1i On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 06:51:41PM +0200, Markus Hitter wrote: > > 1) If you enhanced some GNU or similar licensed code (e.g. bash, > gcc, ...) you can join this project's community directly. This will > make the patches go into Mac OS X in the long term, as Apple > syncronises these projects from time to time. If an enhancement is in a non-apple codebase, this is the most reliable way to contribute. If you contribute a patch to a non-apple maintained project to apple, and apple accepts it, you can almost guarantee it will not be contributed upstream by apple. Anyone who has worked with a large organization is aware of the difficulty in getting approval for locally developed IP to be appropriately licensed/copyright assigned/etc. to be legitimately contributed outside the company. While some engineers may bypass the proper procedure to the benefit of the community as a whole, the safest thing for the engineer and the company, is to just avoid that particular hurdle and just not interact with the community at all. As an engineer, why take the personal risk of being blamed for a leak (rightly or wrongly) when there is no personal benefit? > 2) File a bug/enhancement at <http://bugreport.apple.com/> (free > registration required) and add the patch as an attachment. As a (non- > paying) ADC Online member, don't expect to hear anything further > after doing so. I believe this falls under the heading of "Apple does not comment on future releases". If you contribute something, Apple will generally not tell you it will be accepted until it actually shows up in a release, which can be >1+yr turnaround time, depending one when in the release cycle (again, release dates, and therefore the release cycle are confidential, so you can't know them) the development effort is. The rationale for this as explained to me is, the company does not want the liability of telling someone authoritatively or even creating the expectation that something will be in a product when it may be cut at the last minute or removed for other reasons. While it may seem reasonable that the company wants to protect its self, it makes external development of apple developed bits virtually impossible. This means if your patch is not accepted, you will likely never hear anything back ever again. > 3) In principle, there's OpenDarwin.org as well and they maintain a > small set of patches, too. Currently they concentrate on getting > Darwin built at all and are trying to avoid functional changes as > this would imply a fork off from Apple's Darwin. OpenDarwin has for the most part abandoned doing development of Darwin. There are many reasons for this, most of them already hashed out at length, repeatedly, on this list and elsewhere. OpenDarwin.org's main purpose (and from a practical standpoint has always been this way) is to provide resources for open source development FOR darwin and Mac OS X (as opposed to development OF those systems). Meaning, we host and facilitate related projects, such as darwinports, xar, darwinbuild, portions of fink, etc. Rob _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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