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Re: Launching a GUI using execl()
by Eli Bach 25 Feb '09

25 Feb '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject :mime-version:date:references:x-mailer; bh=PCaQH2lvCXCBi9qaUS74QmDLc2Oc2oJT+8JVemgsVuM=; b=lw0mGdxQCS0XPDSDbONmGRUnlLiVI8Cn5I4bgw5k4IAjvbOnalWt6IXuHYR053ZGuf X0pHM0ba8GKedmvzSRhzg73hbUUMBN/2RlkKNkQlY2gpDjKYalivKcwvIUnZHMLHKpWT +6anwdaZzf8FCdHMFGbzo6RsSQbo/LyFjZAVU= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:subject:mime-version:date:references :x-mailer; b=enpOmbI7ouIQdGrU1TNb95lIp4fzuvKmvR0Frt3oy2lpAn6D2urYcjzODRsISk4Vlp mhHS25Rv/lfmML9jyFVeZEln21qc2ZUfSYvHOJZ33ndTpZfZ556oQUCrDMwFKud6fNo1 XLHG6en0betp1KqO/BZkgQc+G6yrhEszwX97k= On Feb 24, 2009, at 3:55 PM, Rakesh Singhal wrote: Thanks a lot. Sorry for trouble. My answers are as follows: 1. Child process is not going to run as root. My intention is child to run as user. I am setting the uid and gid of current user using setuid(), seteuid(), setgid() and setegid() APIs. 3. Before launching the GUI, I am checking that if any user is logged in or not. If not then I do not launch. What about when multiple users are logged in? 4. I want to start my GUI app through a background app. I am using daemon app for this purpose and for some other functionality also. I choose daemon cause it does not get terminated when user logs out, that I need for other functionality. To launch GUI, I can use launchAgents then I will need to use both daemon and agents. But now I have one query that when user logs out the agents will be terminated and when user logs in again then? _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… >From the context of the daemon, how it is going to figure out who the current user is? Your daemon needs to communicate with one or more agents, which in turn perform the operation, such as launching a GUI app, on the daemon's behalf. The daemon and the agents (as there may 0 to n agents running at any time, and they come and go when users log in and out) need to work together to figure out which user should be interacted with. Alternately, you could outsource this work to a more experienced Mac developer. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Launching a GUI using execl()
by Rakesh Singhal 24 Feb '09

24 Feb '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=KT33IL1I+Tt5mYTSzMi7wFhkzzSb+OwzNPOpKdykbrQ=; b=UGllm9JJ1VVtWcgqpG0ugQWmoPqhMUtXVrXr/PRVeqc5smXgre1W88jkiOM99wrhFP Hx98pgc1d1i+9QFx8Qibp6x1rg9WoMnk8eEIIpIeUWghl5AF0Os0ukfBsYC+VNjBwQtm I2+MTlcdzjeUUtEnN77M0GeNB+hBuUs/2UD1k= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Tf3S+ZYo4asFP5chn4lTLk6HiSHzck8ywrgoDFD6vcipxSBgqNwv/8tdVIkei2Xx69 DWaJN2wXUHkL+CWyKcssjJxFw8UF+aCJrxOe8s3AQsT+Ko72N8z95YVjIIAq/5OeW+TC QnLBq7QhddKeBv1UWfVGjDj3UG5ftZMQlJr94= Thanks a lot. Sorry for trouble. My answers are as follows: 1. Child process is not going to run as root. My intention is child to run as user. I am setting the uid and gid of current user using setuid(), seteuid(), setgid() and setegid() APIs. 3. Before launching the GUI, I am checking that if any user is logged in or not. If not then I do not launch. 4. I want to start my GUI app through a background app. I am using daemon app for this purpose and for some other functionality also. I choose daemon cause it does not get terminated when user logs out, that I need for other functionality. To launch GUI, I can use launchAgents then I will need to use both daemon and agents. But now I have one query that when user logs out the agents will be terminated and when user logs in again then? Regards On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:58 AM, Jamison Hope <jrh(a)theptrgroup.com> wrote: > On Feb 24, 2009, at 5:58 PM, Rakesh Singhal wrote: > >> Sorry, if I had to put in same thread. It is related to same topic but >> it is a different issue. I am not that much experienced programmer >> like most of them are here. I will take care next time. > > Dude, respectfully, it's not a different issue. For months now you've been > asking questions which all boil down to "I want to launch a GUI app from a > daemon and XXXXX isn't working. Help?" > > Every time, people have said "That's because you shouldn't be launching a > GUI from a daemon. Read TN2083. What are you trying to do?" And you never > answer their questions. And yet here like a sucker I'm going to ask you some > questions: > > 1. If a process running as root forks/execs another process, that child > process is also going to run as root. Is it really your intention to run > your GUI app as root, and not as the user who happens to be > fast-user-switched in at the moment (if any)? If the answer to that question > is "Yes", then goto 2. If "No", goto 3. > > 2. So you want your GUI to run as root. Why? DON'T DO THAT. What are you > trying to accomplish? You should design your GUI app to run as a normal > user, launched from within that user's login session, and to use > Authorization Services to get any special privileges it needs. Goto 4. > > 3. So you want your GUI to run as a user, then. Good. What if there is no > user logged in right now? What if there are several? Are you just going to > hope that the active console session belongs to the appropriate user? What > are you trying to accomplish? Goto 4. > > 4. What are you trying to accomplish? Please give a higher-level goal than > "to launch a GUI from a daemon". If that's your only answer, I doubt > anybody's going to be able or willing to help you further. > > -- > Jamison Hope > The PTR Group > www.theptrgroup.com > > _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Launching a GUI using execl()
by Jamison Hope 24 Feb '09

24 Feb '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com On Feb 24, 2009, at 5:58 PM, Rakesh Singhal wrote: Sorry, if I had to put in same thread. It is related to same topic but it is a different issue. I am not that much experienced programmer like most of them are here. I will take care next time. -- Jamison Hope The PTR Group www.theptrgroup.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… Dude, respectfully, it's not a different issue. For months now you've been asking questions which all boil down to "I want to launch a GUI app from a daemon and XXXXX isn't working. Help?" Every time, people have said "That's because you shouldn't be launching a GUI from a daemon. Read TN2083. What are you trying to do?" And you never answer their questions. And yet here like a sucker I'm going to ask you some questions: 1. If a process running as root forks/execs another process, that child process is also going to run as root. Is it really your intention to run your GUI app as root, and not as the user who happens to be fast-user-switched in at the moment (if any)? If the answer to that question is "Yes", then goto 2. If "No", goto 3. 2. So you want your GUI to run as root. Why? DON'T DO THAT. What are you trying to accomplish? You should design your GUI app to run as a normal user, launched from within that user's login session, and to use Authorization Services to get any special privileges it needs. Goto 4. 3. So you want your GUI to run as a user, then. Good. What if there is no user logged in right now? What if there are several? Are you just going to hope that the active console session belongs to the appropriate user? What are you trying to accomplish? Goto 4. 4. What are you trying to accomplish? Please give a higher-level goal than "to launch a GUI from a daemon". If that's your only answer, I doubt anybody's going to be able or willing to help you further. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Launching a GUI using execl()
by Rakesh Singhal 24 Feb '09

24 Feb '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=rua5qK+ITSdVMVVNxrbs3fqw5+wLwj0QZ1/Q6F2o4b0=; b=rzfHFcyP+/tH70rZpe4vLVhZauTu/LBc4oyEitYxYpa9xcEyXzN198c3wTTW1NarIy ASBiQUoHYWVEwfvhT3/B7wPHbkylIUz4xGXIGnnwlI4ZLbfDE11pi3uPjiIkkfL3Kcqe kp/g2z23IWoF4Ojps0VKv6zfyy7cZcqmp6wc4= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kkS8cabCtWt08lnIGraljzvgd92eai08a0uTT4CLjT+dUHwVDKA+NI316ZA1yRz2qq uTyiSHLKyRA14V3/YHELNM4hZQLqXlyJZF/t+aTv/Vw7Rye3I0tbT6h6PskjmRPRpud6 nPEUg28gi1xO4UfrjJefDGXBT8wKqYiObrdnA= Hi Clark, Sorry, if I had to put in same thread. It is related to same topic but it is a different issue. I am not that much experienced programmer like most of them are here. I will take care next time. Regards rksinghal On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:19 AM, Clark Cox <clarkcox3(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Rakesh Singhal > <rakesh.singhal(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I am launching a GUI app from daemon app as following: > > Don't do that. You asked essentially the same question a month ago: > > <http://lists.apple.com/archives/darwin-dev/2009/Jan/msg00060.html> > > -- > Clark S. Cox III > clarkcox3(a)gmail.com > _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Launching a GUI using execl()
by Clark Cox 24 Feb '09

24 Feb '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=HZqMxuaXTR/2HXnzglc0HcNO9wGRtPMpf/6X3NWugAM=; b=dEIaTmxnCPd0E1j7kbEFsKOhlB3BbXwQ+ImR3umgGxge2/SAh6Bh5kjfDujBFIKqL9 bE3Batr0lLjxQYq2TWHXU9UCgnnGWtpIPoGhasb1qC5QyGz6dCFGYDkimTekhXFajhEg DRd7h58OpBs2HAtr3rj95C0lvcRLDxI7uwRC8= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vysB+aYu5ilkXd+UmRJSzPNLYVnskB/snXn4+Vx7MMpouFmKBNrmxTCH2ixB1mDmeC GQjMXVOoJRzsFrSbdZ9Td1DMw4s5ZBBcpcEhWR13rShv22y0eRbnSlkITecdlquo4BVn R3p1Y0fKvfoa5K3Ptp498zsCdpV53NhjBRfsM= On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Rakesh Singhal <rakesh.singhal(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > I am launching a GUI app from daemon app as following: Don't do that. You asked essentially the same question a month ago: <http://lists.apple.com/archives/darwin-dev/2009/Jan/msg00060.html> -- Clark S. Cox III clarkcox3(a)gmail.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Launching a GUI using execl()
by Eli Bach 24 Feb '09

24 Feb '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject :mime-version:date:references:x-mailer; bh=2qYbP1PWbC/jPzpttDJb7lrXPzeoLszXjvx+WSp7oK0=; b=jhNocodM6KOIgxflsO1gmtj3FacaqTPfH/8tnLdrspUe8HocWTSq5PxJKhhWfuaafs 8CjvNBNu4B3LzrZrCsyHJb4PLjh3ZLDGOHVnjlTGKgWc5B9R6ODZ0wv66Vo7rOazXQyK W1iaWYHlAmBk/km7TzQ5DeDvP/gAch6Z8Ijqo= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:subject:mime-version:date:references :x-mailer; b=BGwPNuNuiXGiv/PvwpbTe3cnqp+hq4q7/RP1N0jFNCLpCgSCELXw2Tas5Q9ahniC8T T7cDGF3YqGGsgKhrxPlql3kyteyJr2Bp6GY+kpyqqvHhGGDX9iBEM7NzUb3Ym8QQSRj9 +QBSvgRv3knAhn3/aMIgaIn4uOQ+rS9BDFCEI= On Feb 24, 2009, at 2:07 PM, Rakesh Singhal wrote: When I execute this code, it launches the GUI every time but sometimes properly and sometimes not properly. Not properly means here, when it launches I face following issues: I do not faces these issues when it launches it properly. I can not use launch services APIs cause LaunchServices framework is not daemon safe. I swear we've answered your question before. 2. Which user should see the UI if multiple users are logged in? _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… 1. I can not go to GUI using command + tab, cause it does not show there. 2. When it launches, it does not show on front of all applications. 3. I can not quit it using command + q, if I try command + q, it terminates other GUI application which is also running on system. I can use mouse to click on red cross to close it or from activity monitor, I can quit it. Please advice. Simply put, you can't reliably launch a GUI application directly from a system-level daemon (that is, a daemon that was launched from / Library/LaunchDaemon/). 1. How do you know a user is logged in to interact with your UI? Or are you just going to put up windows and menus over the Login dialog [and your app winds up running as the root user, which is a bad thing(tm)]? 3. You need to launch your app from within the the user's session. Ie, from, say a tool launched from /Library/LaunchAgents/ (there are other methods to get the tool launched in the user's session on earlier OS's). Google is your friend. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Launching a GUI using execl()
by Rakesh Singhal 24 Feb '09

24 Feb '09

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RE: ACL Inheritance?
by Benjamin Huntsman 24 Feb '09

24 Feb '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Thread-index: AcmWPof7fxBCDlckRC2UBV3gxtHIOQAV15oZ Thread-topic: ACL Inheritance? Thanks to all who replied! Beau Hunter of this list pointed out the tip that you can use the flags +ai to chmod. With that in mind, here's how I fixed the issue: 1. set the ACL on the folder using WGM 2. cd /Volumes/<share>/ 3. ls -le 4. visually filter out the ACE that we need 5. cd <folder> 6. chmod -R +ai "<ACE HERE>" . Best I can figure, there's a major bug in WGM. It may be fixed in Server 10.5, but we're still on 10.4. Whenever we tried to propagate the inheritance of the ACL, WGM would correctly propagate it in sequence to about half of the subfolders, leaving the remaing half untouched. The command line never fails... Thanks again! -Ben -----Original Message----- From: James Peach [mailto:jorgar@gmail.com] Sent: Mon 2/23/2009 9:12 PM To: Benjamin Huntsman Cc: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Subject: Re: ACL Inheritance? 2009/2/20 Benjamin Huntsman <BHuntsman(a)mail2.cu-portland.edu>: > Hi all! > > This may not be the right list, but perhaps someone could point me in the right direction regarding ACL's on Mac OS X... > > I've got an XServe running 10.4, with an attached Xserve RAID. The raid array is running XSan, and mounted as a single volume under /Volumes. The Xserve is joined to an Active Directory domain, which it uses for authentication. > > The folders at the root of the XSan volume are configured as SMB shares, so that Windows clients can access them. > > So here's the catch... we want to have a certain group in the Active Directory domain control access to one of the folders on the Xsan volume. When the server was set up, they were using UNIX permissions (user, group, others) to configure access, which became problematic as more and more users were added to the system. Switching to ACL's after the fact though, hasn't worked very well. > > The Active Directory group is added in Workgroup Manager to the folder, and set to propagate, but it doesn't do so to all subfolders, especially those that were present before the change. I set up a test volume on a dmg to experiment via the command line, and found that if you set an ACL with inheritance on a folder that ALREADY contains a subfolder, the subfolder won't automatically inherit the ACL from it's parent, but all subsequently created folders or files will. > > So my question is, is there a way, via the command line or otherwise, to essentially tell a folder or file to "re-inherit" it's ACL list from it's parent? Somewhere in the ServerAdmin permissions editor there is a checkbox that makes it reflow the inherited ACL throughout the share point. It might be Leopard-only, I can't remember off the top of my head. -- James Peach | jorgar(a)gmail.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Info request on crashing thread on Crashreport
by Arnab Ganguly 24 Feb '09

24 Feb '09

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VGA Drivers in Macintosh
by Sachin Kumar 24 Feb '09

24 Feb '09

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