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Re: rm -rf and the trashcan
by Esteban Bodigami 20 Jul '09

20 Jul '09

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Re: rm -rf and the trashcan
by Greg Shenaut 20 Jul '09

20 Jul '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com On Jul 20, 2009, at 12:00 PM, Esteban Bodigami wrote: 2009/7/20 Jean-Daniel Dupas <devlists(a)shadowlab.org> alias borrar 'mv ~/.Trash' Greg Shenaut Le 20 juil. 09 à 20:44, Esteban Bodigami a écrit : [borrar, delete] maps to mv ~/.Trash BR, new command... Unix + Mac Version 2.0 (Mac OS 11) ~Steve _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/esteban.bodigami%40gmail.… This email sent to esteban.bodigami(a)gmail.com -- Esteban Giuseppe Bodigami Vincenzi _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/devlists%40shadowlab.org -- Esteban Giuseppe Bodigami Vincenzi _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/gkshenaut%40ucdavis.edu _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… unless the OS relies on all Unix commands and has to be translated to all possible languages (the "talking with the kernel" text interface). No need to rewrite an OS to get it. Aliasing standard commands like "rm" has been part of UNIX for decades. If a certain user aliases things or defines functions in his or her own shell, shell scripts and other people's shells normally won't see them, so it will have no effect on the system as a whole. But it should be mentioned that defining a shell function to imitate the Finder's trash functionality is not just « function rm { mv $* ~/.Trash ; } », because the Finder will modify filenames to avoid overwriting the older contents of Trash. You could definitely write a shell function to mimic what Finder does, but another approach would be to use osascript in your shell function to tell Finder to do it for you. That said, why not name the function something different? The functionality is significantly different and so the two actions deserve different names. Use rm for the standard utility, perhaps, and del or even d for the trash version? 2009/7/20 Steve Allen <allen(a)doobie.itdl.ds.boeing.com> On Jul 20, 11:07, Esteban Bodigami wrote: > >nah, a Unix-compatible version with a new user interface... that's all. what >is the equivalent of X in Mac btw? Aqua must use some kind of renderer... i >was thinking of OpenGL, Darwin and Webkit as a base for my project. The equivalent to X on Mac is... X. The one and same, also a standard. The "trashcan" is an artifact of the Apple gui, much as Gnome has a trashcan, and I'm sure that there are other guis that have trashcans and ones that don't. But it's not part of the Unix standard, and rm is. This email sent to devlists(a)shadowlab.org This email sent to gkshenaut(a)ucdavis.edu This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: fork of Darwin (spanish, italiano)
by Esteban Bodigami 20 Jul '09

20 Jul '09

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Re: fork of Darwin (spanish, italiano)
by Juan Manuel Palacios 20 Jul '09

20 Jul '09

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Re: what is expected malloc behavior re. limits/insufficient resources?
by Martin Costabel 20 Jul '09

20 Jul '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) -- Martin _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… IainS wrote: I have no idea what's going on here - no action of mine should have precipitated this... I filed the radars, they've been acknowledged... and I'm awaiting the outcome. I suspect what happened is that Terry's iPhone Mail.app inadvertently flagged a 7 months old message as unread, which prompted him to reply without looking at the date. Maybe he should file a bug with Apple ;-) This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: esteban bodigami
by Esteban Bodigami 20 Jul '09

20 Jul '09

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Re: esteban bodigami
by Esteban Bodigami 20 Jul '09

20 Jul '09

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Re: esteban bodigami
by Conrad G T Yoder 20 Jul '09

20 Jul '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Thread-index: AcoJeDX9+tTjzgEXZU+75GISB0rl1Q== Thread-topic: esteban bodigami User-agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.19.0.090515 Maybe "Esteban Bodigami" is really Sascha Baron Cohen, and this is his next instantiation of a "crazy furrinner" - on the Internets! All on darwin-dev will make it in the next movie/viral video. Enjoy. -Conrad -- Don't suspect a friend - Report him. Ask for form 27B-6. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: esteban bodigami
by Eli Bach 20 Jul '09

20 Jul '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject :mime-version:date:references:x-mailer; bh=TJZI0llVDtm6FVTYcqpdouR7dMAxBhFy1FMObrjuwj8=; b=K8/DXkvZpI5z7asDToyEG2UjA4s8PxMT/MygImGAbk8lPhK20RXZfc2SjdvRxEVTK0 NHa1r4p4ObqkpnfmfYjFCEp0a9lN2qJ4W36Z/u1FwKo3iUe5liCVvnLKMNcpKHwO0fQE vmNShtWsr2GVKSGXTxn7WyAgVrqAvcVnDTcQM= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:subject:mime-version:date:references :x-mailer; b=bCHrdHEJSQv+BpAwUVu8C5+KasG6Oqb0knrKWpxdOp9TbJDPj8p9pEvQbpWMwqmzlu t48nqvXEPk0irS6ESVWgkzioRmgaYP+5tTIzfMd6JwVSc99NvuqqWsimkkBJbJFN36fc X9W15B8LmVLitzAXr7lPm6VY5X0yd3MIawM7w= On Jul 20, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Esteban Bodigami wrote: yeah, "shoot the messenger". 2009/7/20 Joel Reymont <joelr1(a)gmail.com> May I make voice a thought? This will be my only message to/about Esteban's messages. First, the political messages are entirely inappropriate for this list. Eli _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… The less people are going to reply to the nonsense spewed by Esteban, the more encouragement he's gonna have to discuss technical bits truly relevant to the list. Second, "messenger" implies that there is some group of people that you just being the front man for (either selected by them or self- selected). Code-wise, English has become the de-facto "language" for programming in, particularly for open-source projects. Not American English. Not US Army English. Just English. It's not exclusive, but it certainly has the most widespread support. Third, there may be a couple of other people interested in your idea to fork the darwin code base to localize the code itself, they have to realize that these forks would dead before they start, simply because there is nobody running systems that could run programs coded against these forks. While MacOS X is based on the code that Apple releases, you can't even recompile and use what Apple releases and have the GUI part of MacOS X still work on top of it. You're best bet for doing something that will be usable by non-English people would be to produce localized documentation for whatever API's your interested in. It'll be difficult to keep up to date with Apple's revisions, but way easier and more useful than forking the code itself. Fourth, renaming/localizing unix cli tools. Most of the common tools aren't even using english names, just abbreviations of english words/ phrases that were used by CS grads 30 years ago, so learning them is just as difficult for current english-speaking people that it is for non-english-speakers (except perhaps for having more books in English explaining the tools). The Unix standard's body is unlikely to be at all receptive to renaming any of the existing tools, even to better English names, let alone having localized names for tools, so you'll have to do it with alias's or something like that, and you are free to produce a script file to do this or create soft-links or wrapper tools to call through to the original ones or to create a new tool that duplicates some or all of the functionality of existing tools. If anybody finds your work useful, they will use it. If lots and lots of people find it useful, your work may even be picked up (depending on how it's licensed) by Apple or any of the Linux/UNIX vendors. But the work you have proposed on this list really doesn't seem (IMHO) like something that will gain much adoption, outside of your home. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: rm -rf and the trashcan
by Esteban Bodigami 20 Jul '09

20 Jul '09

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