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Re: Can I refer to files outside of a .pax archive?
by Peter Bierman 29 Jun '06

29 Jun '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi Nathan, -pmb _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… At 7:02 PM -0700 6/28/06, Nathan Herring wrote: It seems that the uncompressed option merely generates a very large .pax file in the resulting .pkg file. Is there a way to just have an package refer to bits already unpaxed? The idea here is that on the installation disc, there's a full installation that you can drag-n-drop, but if you really want to, you can run the installer. I'd prefer not to have to duplicate the data (one full set + one compressed set), but rather just have the installer refer to the files already layed out on the CD. Yes, this is possible. The BaseSystem.pkg on the InstallCD/DVD uses this method. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Can I refer to files outside of a .pax archive?
by Scott Russell 29 Jun '06

29 Jun '06

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RE: Can I refer to files outside of a .pax archive?
by Nathan Herring 29 Jun '06

29 Jun '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Thread-index: Acabqn+CmXSadkHnShmOg6t1/q3g6gACNliA Thread-topic: Can I refer to files outside of a .pax archive? Because the full installation is very large, and people like to have a shot at saying that they don't want to install some items. Also, because a lot of people, and I do mean _a lot_, don't understand drag-n-drop. No, really. They drag it to their desktop instead of to /Applications, and whereas that works for them, it doesn't for another user of the machine... User2: "Where's Office? I thought you installed it?" User1: "It's on the desktop" User2: "No it isn't" What these novice users want is a way to get it on their hard drive, not so much the ability to put in a custom place — in fact, that they are "accidentally" putting it in a custom place gets them in trouble and then they call product support when they can't find it anymore. "I've installed Office three times so far, and I still don't see it in my Applications! Why is that?" Basically, the installer is for the really novice user, and for the advanced user who wants to customize their installation. Everyone in-between probably prefers or is neutral on drag-n-drop. I can tell you this: Our testing department doesn't like having both drag-n-drop and a set of packages that you could install, since it increases their setup testing matrix (and not just "how do you get the bits to the machine" but "do the bits work when you put them in this place, and omit this package", and "what happens when you are upgrading from a drag-n-drop installation"). But the consensus is that our Out-of-box User Experience isn't sufficient without a wizard-like installer to support the true novices. -nh -----Original Message----- From: Rick Sustek [mailto:rick@bias-inc.com] Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:32 AM To: Nathan Herring Cc: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Subject: Re: Can I refer to files outside of a .pax archive? Hi, Yes, for what you describe, the compressed/uncompressed archive makes no difference. If you have an app, or a whatever, that can be installed by simple dragondrops then you have no need for building a package and no need to run the installer utility. Why make life difficult and offer both? ;-) -Rick _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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breaking up a CD into subpackages
by Nathan Herring 29 Jun '06

29 Jun '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Thread-index: AcabsxgVt1tBd4tZQEGN8hStcrlquA== Thread-topic: breaking up a CD into subpackages We already have code that assembles all of the various items that we would want to install into a folder for drag-n-drop. And, whereas, I can create one giant, monolithic .pkg file for the whole thing, I can't break it up into smaller packages without actually segmenting the drag-n-drop layout because there doesn't seem to be a way to differentiate between the root of the package and the place to start recording path information in the .bom. For example, I have Suite Foo/ Bar.app/ Baz.app/ and I want the über-package "Suite Foo" folder to be installed in /Applications by default, but be relocatable. If I want to break the Suite Foo.pkg into Suite Foo.mpkg with Bar.pkg and Baz.pkg, if I give Bar's root as "Suite Foo", it'll pick up Baz.app as well. If I give Bar's root as "Suite Foo/Bar.app", then it will only get Bar.app, but the bom information will have "./Bar.app" rather than "./Suite Foo/Bar.app", and thus Bar.app will get installed one directory higher than is desired. Am I missing something obvious? It looks like I could add filters to the Bar.pkg and Baz.pkg to omit the other ones, but that only works nicely in this small example. When you have 30 some-odd subfolders and apps then those filter sets get unwieldy. It would be really nice if packagemaker(1) or the Package Maker UI had some sort of difference between the install root vs. the set of files to include in a package. On the command-line side, having one extra param that gave a subpath to restrict files to add to would suffice, though having the alternate ability to explicitly list the files/folders of interest either on the line or in a file that gets read in would be cool as well. -nh _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Can I refer to files outside of a .pax archive?
by Rick Sustek 29 Jun '06

29 Jun '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi, -Rick _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Yes, for what you describe, the compressed/uncompressed archive makes no difference. If you have an app, or a whatever, that can be installed by simple dragondrops then you have no need for building a package and no need to run the installer utility. Why make life difficult and offer both? ;-) This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Relocatable
by Perbix, Michael 29 Jun '06

29 Jun '06

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Re: Relocatable
by Ruairí O' Mahony 29 Jun '06

29 Jun '06

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Re: Relocatable
by Perbix, Michael 29 Jun '06

29 Jun '06

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Re: Relocatable
by Ruairí O' Mahony 29 Jun '06

29 Jun '06

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Relocatable
by Perbix, Michael 29 Jun '06

29 Jun '06

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