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Re: Detecting CPU Speed
by Gary Pederson 28 Mar '07

28 Mar '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=on+KDt047A+c4TnvIdX9HmwkUfb8wZ4qinD/6b1DS0Lh8/TsfP3kboZCCr9wTsU9ijUTjUWk8JMCfBfjVrrEHKkxr+e0HNE499xhJVed4M3+Ad8eFl052p9Uep/IhjzhFMGPMLilTFWeSKaT3TSSzVEzVAgTc5K3cNM3w0yxxws= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=H9NlsPGecMOOrRvbAykXBbbxi5lDqNsiI7DpFPtqA9l8TF4BRjaC73O77rfvr+BSoTpt1oaNSYw1UIkKdyXySkWVJ8EiKoSNQzvLBwSMPcqI8yK8E2GkewKtMFyTzAWDqk4lP5XMI+v3yjMScFVWXI3rUYxijtmEVYIYi+8b8SQ= -Gary On Mar 27, 2007, at 5:59 PM, Luke Bellandi wrote: Hi Gary, Thanks, Luke On Mar 27, 2007, at 1:25 PM, Gary Pederson wrote: sub CpuFrequency { ################################################################## # This should work on 10.2 and later: local $value = 0; local @hardware = `system_profiler SPHardwareDataType`; chomp @hardware; foreach ( @hardware ) { if ( m/^\s*CPU Speed: (\d+) ([MGTPEZY])Hz/ ) { $value = $1.$2; $value =~ s/M/000000/; $value =~ s/G/000000000/; $value =~ s/T/000000000000/; $value =~ s/P/000000000000000/; $value =~ s/E/000000000000000000/; $value =~ s/Z/000000000000000000000/; $value =~ s/Y/000000000000000000000000/; } } return $value; } On Mar 26, 2007, at 9:55 PM, Gary Pederson wrote: The incorrect values are from /usr/sbin/sysctl. On Mar 26, 2007, at 11:52 AM, Luke Bellandi wrote: Gary, On Mar 24, 2007, at 5:55 PM, Gary Pederson wrote: On those systems, sysctl returns hw.cpufrequency: 533333332 hw.cpufrequency_min: 533333332 hw.cpufrequency_max: 533333332 When it should report hw.cpufrequency: 867000000 hw.cpufrequency_min: 533333332 hw.cpufrequency_max: 867000000 - Luke Thanks, Gary Pederson _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/luke%40apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/luke%40apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… I filed a bug against sysctl -- "sysctl returns wrong CPU speeds on PowerBook G4" system_profiler is returning the correct speed -- sysctl is reporting the wrong speeds. Interesting. Please file a bug against system_profiler on http:// bugreporter.apple.com. I tested it and "system_profiler SPHardwareDataType" works on G4 laptops pre-10.4. Here's the perl subroutine I'm using, if anyone else wonders into this (we can dream about YHz in out code, right?): In an earlier email, Daniel Soderberg suggested using the following command: system_profiler SPHardwareDataType | grep Speed I haven't gotten back to those systems to see if it works, but I'll post the results within a few days. I've been detecting CPU speed in my InstallationCheck scripts using `sysctl -n hw.cpufrequency` and `sysctl -n hw.cpufrequency_max` These are returning the correct values on most machines, but the wrong values on other machines (at least 867MHz G4 PowerBooks in 10.3.9) -- So some of our customers get a confusing message about their CPU being too slow. Are these values returned from your Javascript functions in your distribution, or are they the values returned from /usr/sbin/sysctl? If they're coming from your Javascript, check what /usr/sbin/sysctl is returning for that property and let us know if that's correct. Is there a way to accurately detect the maximum cpu speed on all OS X Macs? Or at least on the ones I need to support (G4, G5, x86 -- 10.3.9 and later)? This email sent to luke(a)apple.com This email sent to luke(a)apple.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Weird dialog after adding plugins
by Mike 28 Mar '07

28 Mar '07

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Re: Detecting CPU Speed
by Luke Bellandi 27 Mar '07

27 Mar '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi Gary, Thanks, Luke On Mar 27, 2007, at 1:25 PM, Gary Pederson wrote: sub CpuFrequency { ################################################################## # This should work on 10.2 and later: local $value = 0; local @hardware = `system_profiler SPHardwareDataType`; chomp @hardware; foreach ( @hardware ) { if ( m/^\s*CPU Speed: (\d+) ([MGTPEZY])Hz/ ) { $value = $1.$2; $value =~ s/M/000000/; $value =~ s/G/000000000/; $value =~ s/T/000000000000/; $value =~ s/P/000000000000000/; $value =~ s/E/000000000000000000/; $value =~ s/Z/000000000000000000000/; $value =~ s/Y/000000000000000000000000/; } } return $value; } On Mar 26, 2007, at 9:55 PM, Gary Pederson wrote: The incorrect values are from /usr/sbin/sysctl. On Mar 26, 2007, at 11:52 AM, Luke Bellandi wrote: Gary, On Mar 24, 2007, at 5:55 PM, Gary Pederson wrote: On those systems, sysctl returns hw.cpufrequency: 533333332 hw.cpufrequency_min: 533333332 hw.cpufrequency_max: 533333332 When it should report hw.cpufrequency: 867000000 hw.cpufrequency_min: 533333332 hw.cpufrequency_max: 867000000 - Luke Thanks, Gary Pederson _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/luke%40apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/luke%40apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Interesting. Please file a bug against system_profiler on http://bugreporter.apple.com . I tested it and "system_profiler SPHardwareDataType" works on G4 laptops pre-10.4. Here's the perl subroutine I'm using, if anyone else wonders into this (we can dream about YHz in out code, right?): In an earlier email, Daniel Soderberg suggested using the following command: system_profiler SPHardwareDataType | grep Speed I haven't gotten back to those systems to see if it works, but I'll post the results within a few days. I've been detecting CPU speed in my InstallationCheck scripts using `sysctl -n hw.cpufrequency` and `sysctl -n hw.cpufrequency_max` These are returning the correct values on most machines, but the wrong values on other machines (at least 867MHz G4 PowerBooks in 10.3.9) -- So some of our customers get a confusing message about their CPU being too slow. Are these values returned from your Javascript functions in your distribution, or are they the values returned from /usr/sbin/sysctl? If they're coming from your Javascript, check what /usr/sbin/sysctl is returning for that property and let us know if that's correct. Is there a way to accurately detect the maximum cpu speed on all OS X Macs? Or at least on the ones I need to support (G4, G5, x86 -- 10.3.9 and later)? This email sent to luke(a)apple.com This email sent to luke(a)apple.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: 10.4 -> 10.3 PackageMaker Problems
by Andrew Otto 27 Mar '07

27 Mar '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com On Mar 27, 2007, at 15:08 18, Stéphane Sudre wrote: On mardi, mars 27, 2007, at 08:02 PM, Andrew Otto wrote: Oh well, thanks! -Andrew Otto _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… In order to ask for help, I first have to describe all of the quirky behaviors I am seeing. I started out using PackageMaker.app distributed with OS X 10.4 to build a simple package with a preinstall and preupgrade script. This package .app file in my package root is not copied into the Applications/ directory as it should be. Also, my scripts are printing the arguments and environment variables to an install log, and these are not set properly. For example, on 10.4, the $2 (the target installation directory) is "/Applications", and on 10.3 is is "/". Having no luck installing a package created in 10.4 with 10.3 Installer.app, I (with much difficulty) obtained a copy of the 10.3 version of PackageMaker. This version worked almost perfectly. My scripts ran exactly as they should ($2 is "/ Applications"), and the .app was copied into the /Applications directory. But the app would not start up! It would bounce once in the dock, and then die immediately. I then noticed that the app that was installed into the /Application directory was about 2.5 MB smaller than the original! Looking inside the bundle I found that the executable in the Contents/MacOS directory was 2.5 MB smaller than the original's executable. So...what's going on here?! First of all, are packages created in 10.4 not compatible with 10.3's Installer.app? It depends on whether you selected a 10.3 compatible format or not. _Raw_ distributed scripts are not compatible with 10.3. Given the option to not use these "Raw distributed scripts", I would choose not to use them. I'm not really sure what you mean here. My package is pretty simple. It consists only of a .app and pre/post scripts that I need to run. I tried googling for info on raw distributed scripts, but I didn't come up with much. Could you please clarify? Secondly, why didn't my 10.3 package install properly? Is it a Carbon application with the resources in the resource fork of the application? If the answer is yes, then the solution lies in checking that you enabled the Split Forks options. I don't believe this is a Carbon application. It was written in Runtime Revolution, a cross platform development environment. I'm not sure how it builds applications for Mac. Anyway, I've *think* been able to solve the problem (although not idealy). By checking the "Install Fat" option in the Info tab of the 10.3 version of PackageMaker, I've been able to create a package that installs properly on both 10.3 and 10.4. Ideally, I wouldn't need 10.3 just to build a package. I'd like to be able to build these packages on my own 10.4 machine. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Supressing Installer logging
by Luke Bellandi 27 Mar '07

27 Mar '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi Mike, On Mar 27, 2007, at 2:38 PM, Mike wrote: No. Why would you want to? - Luke Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/luke%40apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Is there any way to stop Installer from writing all information to the /private/var/log/installer.log file when the Installer is run? This email sent to luke(a)apple.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Supressing Installer logging
by Mike 27 Mar '07

27 Mar '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Is there any way to stop Installer from writing all information to the /private/var/log/installer.log file when the Installer is run? This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Detecting CPU Speed
by Gary Pederson 27 Mar '07

27 Mar '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=cntBqx9H+LuDiZPr38MxIREJafGGSnblnauTNiOjRd4hVxNi7KznHiA12AX1p/BgCte6J5AB3f1RHvEY4xvq2kuZFSrqhQYFPJNpyVyQDXobxD7amtzrZa8cs/Tw86sptUnEEfdGrhofI0mgvgyQNzLgJaeqqWF2hFQmsye//88= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=MtwqR6WceDIZzB4N6rA09CD0Z5wa18kSvJi32+5hpEoIU/1z5hsktd8inT08d5LGx7wiPTcbX/mzywipQfoegb4PIIknZA+h6hYAPfEguroF6ZdJYBiqlXlr46YOhTrZDTYzRkq8dcneoMFo+dIs/+T78P/092Hmtnxq4A3esCA= sub CpuFrequency { ################################################################## # This should work on 10.2 and later: local $value = 0; local @hardware = `system_profiler SPHardwareDataType`; chomp @hardware; foreach ( @hardware ) { if ( m/^\s*CPU Speed: (\d+) ([MGTPEZY])Hz/ ) { $value = $1.$2; $value =~ s/M/000000/; $value =~ s/G/000000000/; $value =~ s/T/000000000000/; $value =~ s/P/000000000000000/; $value =~ s/E/000000000000000000/; $value =~ s/Z/000000000000000000000/; $value =~ s/Y/000000000000000000000000/; } } return $value; } On Mar 26, 2007, at 9:55 PM, Gary Pederson wrote: The incorrect values are from /usr/sbin/sysctl. On Mar 26, 2007, at 11:52 AM, Luke Bellandi wrote: Gary, On Mar 24, 2007, at 5:55 PM, Gary Pederson wrote: On those systems, sysctl returns hw.cpufrequency: 533333332 hw.cpufrequency_min: 533333332 hw.cpufrequency_max: 533333332 When it should report hw.cpufrequency: 867000000 hw.cpufrequency_min: 533333332 hw.cpufrequency_max: 867000000 - Luke Thanks, Gary Pederson _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/luke%40apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… I tested it and "system_profiler SPHardwareDataType" works on G4 laptops pre-10.4. Here's the perl subroutine I'm using, if anyone else wonders into this (we can dream about YHz in out code, right?): In an earlier email, Daniel Soderberg suggested using the following command: system_profiler SPHardwareDataType | grep Speed I haven't gotten back to those systems to see if it works, but I'll post the results within a few days. I've been detecting CPU speed in my InstallationCheck scripts using `sysctl -n hw.cpufrequency` and `sysctl -n hw.cpufrequency_max` These are returning the correct values on most machines, but the wrong values on other machines (at least 867MHz G4 PowerBooks in 10.3.9) -- So some of our customers get a confusing message about their CPU being too slow. Are these values returned from your Javascript functions in your distribution, or are they the values returned from /usr/sbin/sysctl? If they're coming from your Javascript, check what /usr/sbin/sysctl is returning for that property and let us know if that's correct. Is there a way to accurately detect the maximum cpu speed on all OS X Macs? Or at least on the ones I need to support (G4, G5, x86 -- 10.3.9 and later)? This email sent to luke(a)apple.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: 10.4 -> 10.3 PackageMaker Problems
by Stéphane Sudre 27 Mar '07

27 Mar '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com On mardi, mars 27, 2007, at 08:02 PM, Andrew Otto wrote: Not for what you want to do. See above. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… In order to ask for help, I first have to describe all of the quirky behaviors I am seeing. I started out using PackageMaker.app distributed with OS X 10.4 to build a simple package with a preinstall and preupgrade script. This package .app file in my package root is not copied into the Applications/ directory as it should be. Also, my scripts are printing the arguments and environment variables to an install log, and these are not set properly. For example, on 10.4, the $2 (the target installation directory) is "/Applications", and on 10.3 is is "/". Having no luck installing a package created in 10.4 with 10.3 Installer.app, I (with much difficulty) obtained a copy of the 10.3 version of PackageMaker. This version worked almost perfectly. My scripts ran exactly as they should ($2 is "/Applications"), and the .app was copied into the /Applications directory. But the app would not start up! It would bounce once in the dock, and then die immediately. I then noticed that the app that was installed into the /Application directory was about 2.5 MB smaller than the original! Looking inside the bundle I found that the executable in the Contents/MacOS directory was 2.5 MB smaller than the original's executable. So...what's going on here?! First of all, are packages created in 10.4 not compatible with 10.3's Installer.app? It depends on whether you selected a 10.3 compatible format or not. _Raw_ distributed scripts are not compatible with 10.3. Secondly, why didn't my 10.3 package install properly? Is it a Carbon application with the resources in the resource fork of the application? If the answer is yes, then the solution lies in checking that you enabled the Split Forks options. Is something wrong with the pax archive? I'm kind of at a loss for what to do now. Can anyone point me in the right direction? This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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10.4 -> 10.3 PackageMaker Problems
by Andrew Otto 27 Mar '07

27 Mar '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Help! Thanks, -Andrew Otto _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… In order to ask for help, I first have to describe all of the quirky behaviors I am seeing. I started out using PackageMaker.app distributed with OS X 10.4 to build a simple package with a preinstall and preupgrade script. This package .app file in my package root is not copied into the Applications/ directory as it should be. Also, my scripts are printing the arguments and environment variables to an install log, and these are not set properly. For example, on 10.4, the $2 (the target installation directory) is "/Applications", and on 10.3 is is "/". Having no luck installing a package created in 10.4 with 10.3 Installer.app, I (with much difficulty) obtained a copy of the 10.3 version of PackageMaker. This version worked almost perfectly. My scripts ran exactly as they should ($2 is "/Applications"), and the .app was copied into the /Applications directory. But the app would not start up! It would bounce once in the dock, and then die immediately. I then noticed that the app that was installed into the /Application directory was about 2.5 MB smaller than the original! Looking inside the bundle I found that the executable in the Contents/MacOS directory was 2.5 MB smaller than the original's executable. So...what's going on here?! First of all, are packages created in 10.4 not compatible with 10.3's Installer.app? Secondly, why didn't my 10.3 package install properly? Is something wrong with the pax archive? I'm kind of at a loss for what to do now. Can anyone point me in the right direction? This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Postgres within installer sometimes does not work
by Peter Elmers 27 Mar '07

27 Mar '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi Brian, please find my answers under your comments. Am 26.03.2007 um 16:08 schrieb Brian Ray: On Mar 26, 2007, at 8:48 AM, Peter Elmers wrote: Are you doing something like: hth, Brian Ray bray(a)sent.com http://kazavoo.com/blog _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… I configured postgres to write a log-file, but it did not write it. Not even touch one. To have postgres running, i compiled it with "--disable-rpath" and with a prefix to have a version, which can be installed anywhere i like. --disable-rpath is only part of relocatable installs. True. At the beginning, we were not sure where to put the installation. As it seems that i have to recompile, this will change. What do you mean with "your own copy of system libraries"? Do you mean it could be helpful to have some system libraries deployed together with the postgres folder and extending the amount of libraries already shipped with the lib-folder of pgsql? Minimally, you will probably need to tell the OS how to find shared libraries (ie setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH). Better, you can statically link to anything PosgreSQL uses. What is going wrong is sure to be some incompatibility between dependancies or where your looking for them since your install runs on other cases. Or something unique to the environment or user permissions between the systems where you are testing installations. You should be able to run 'otool -L' on the postgresql binaries to see what they use dynamically. Have you tried this? It seems that we are using several system libraries, which could indeed lead to problems. But compiling postgres with "--with-libraries" and pointing this to the application directory does not change anything on the otool output. Its a little odd you are not getting logs or getting errors to the console. Have you tried starting up your copy of postgres from the command line. In other words, precisely how are you starting the postmaster? $(PREFIX)/bin/pg_ctl -D $(PREFIX)/pgsql/data -l $(PREFIX)/logs/ postgres.log start That is the normal way. We already tried to start the postmaster directly on the target system. It says that it is starting but no process is shown. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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