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Re: Runing GUIs from external code binaries
by Stéphane Sudre 27 Mar '07

27 Mar '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com On mardi, mars 27, 2007, at 08:45 AM, Mike wrote: 2 solutions: _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Is it possible to use .nib files in external code binaries executed by the preinstall or postinstall executables at runtime in the installer? Yes. With the restrictions that if you have GUI elements in your nib (Windows), they won't work if the installation is run with the installer command line and probably ARD. If so how does one package these bundles with the .nib files in them? o your external code is a bundled application. You can invoke it with open. o you create a bundle for the resources and use this bundle as the reference when you need to load your nib files. Can the .nibs be placed in the built .pkg or .mpkg's /Resources/ .lproj directories and have the installer automatically find them at runtime when an external executable is run or do they need to be loaded manually from the external executable? You need to load them manually since this would not be the same bundle and your executable has no way to discover this by itself. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Runing GUIs from external code binaries
by Mike 27 Mar '07

27 Mar '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Is it possible to use .nib files in external code binaries executed by the preinstall or postinstall executables at runtime in the installer? If so how does one package these bundles with the .nib files in them? Can the .nibs be placed in the built .pkg or .mpkg's /Resources/ .lproj directories and have the installer automatically find them at runtime when an external executable is run or do they need to be loaded manually from the external executable? This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Detecting CPU Speed
by Gary Pederson 27 Mar '07

27 Mar '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=X7yJgSlUD/czBBhZPNgDRSrb7r0sjGFLc2rJflCk/RH6PdyP0i/0wSf+OtFOPxe8+MRzI3FRBpDv1xDJatP/ksuptKHWaeLCy/cPhbZY8kwMQzJ3PTO6F6IPdS38BdRbUVplfaKLE8+SBDSecmAnIW/9qHFPgHSz2TOXgDceD+k= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=FOtGQZ3/FSYHTTicVCva5c7azp9mH1OHUfDYE+QHA7F54foKJqj9UUmJGQGoHMa1tFaWEmkNL5NqEG/JDAap41ze1wRdgei9gV+M7nr/WHLCUm346epCMEGLqt/ZRxMINX6zRmZtSCP7fq3eXeTXrjnW0aNuNGsqH0HKGd1qToc= The incorrect values are from /usr/sbin/sysctl. On Mar 26, 2007, at 11:52 AM, Luke Bellandi wrote: Gary, On Mar 24, 2007, at 5:55 PM, Gary Pederson wrote: On those systems, sysctl returns hw.cpufrequency: 533333332 hw.cpufrequency_min: 533333332 hw.cpufrequency_max: 533333332 When it should report hw.cpufrequency: 867000000 hw.cpufrequency_min: 533333332 hw.cpufrequency_max: 867000000 - Luke Thanks, Gary Pederson _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/luke%40apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… In an earlier email, Daniel Soderberg suggested using the following command: system_profiler SPHardwareDataType | grep Speed I haven't gotten back to those systems to see if it works, but I'll post the results within a few days. I've been detecting CPU speed in my InstallationCheck scripts using `sysctl -n hw.cpufrequency` and `sysctl -n hw.cpufrequency_max` These are returning the correct values on most machines, but the wrong values on other machines (at least 867MHz G4 PowerBooks in 10.3.9) -- So some of our customers get a confusing message about their CPU being too slow. Are these values returned from your Javascript functions in your distribution, or are they the values returned from /usr/sbin/sysctl? If they're coming from your Javascript, check what /usr/sbin/sysctl is returning for that property and let us know if that's correct. Is there a way to accurately detect the maximum cpu speed on all OS X Macs? Or at least on the ones I need to support (G4, G5, x86 -- 10.3.9 and later)? This email sent to luke(a)apple.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Modifying the list of steps shown in the installer
by Luke Bellandi 26 Mar '07

26 Mar '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi Mike, - Luke On Mar 26, 2007, at 2:24 PM, Mike wrote: Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/luke%40apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Currently there's no way to modify the bullet items (except those that are 3rd party plugins). What are you trying to do? Is there any way to cause the Installer to modify the list of steps shown on the left side of the window at runtime? Specifically I want to remove a few of the text items and then add a few of my own custom strings to the displayed list. This email sent to luke(a)apple.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Modifying the list of steps shown in the installer
by Mike 26 Mar '07

26 Mar '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Is there any way to cause the Installer to modify the list of steps shown on the left side of the window at runtime? Specifically I want to remove a few of the text items and then add a few of my own custom strings to the displayed list. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Installer project directory clarifications
by Stéphane Sudre 26 Mar '07

26 Mar '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com On lundi, mars 26, 2007, at 06:48 PM, Luke Bellandi wrote: Hi Mike & Stéphane, On dimanche, mars 25, 2007, at 06:20 PM, Mike wrote: <snip> Actually there is. Consider this example: receipt 1: MySoftware Application v1.0 receipt 2: MySoftware Framework v1.0 [...] Some issues I can imagine with method 1: But I'm probably wrong... _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… On Mar 25, 2007, at 11:57 AM, Stéphane Sudre wrote: But there's really no interest in creating a package per raw components (application, associated frameworks, Application Support sub folder, etc...) Let's say you're shipping a product that has an application and a framework. You make 2 packages, one with the application and one with the framework. You then make a distribution that installs both bundles. Up to this point, this is functionally equivalent to putting everything in one package, except that you will have two receipts: As you can see, method 2 gets messier as time goes on and you ship updates to your software's components. I'd suggest you spend some time considering what the most logical divisions in your software product are, and create individual software packages along those lines. It will make life much easier for you as you ship updates to your software. I should mention first that with method 2, I would personally not follow the update strategy you describe. I would update the application version if the frameworks needs to be updated and would provide a complete package even for update without changing its name but just the version (since the package version is in theory different from the application version). Usually, if you need to fix a frameworks, it would be surprising that you do not update the application itself at the same time. This will result in a bigger archive, sure. But, contrary to what the e-mails landing in my spam mailbox state, with OS updates reaching 130 MB, size does not really matter a lot these days for most users. Of course, YMMV if deployment is to be made on a big local network or if DSL is still a Sci-Fi acronym where you live. 1. If your OS requirements include 10.3 or earlier, you will not be able to hide the fact that you have 2 components in your package and this may introduce some confusion for the user. 2. Tech support might rather have the version of the application updated along with the framework as it would allow them to track issues more easily. Of course, you can put the frameworks version in the About box as in Xcode. But who really provides this information every time he/she filed a bug report against Xcode? I know I don't. 3. Finally, the user may end up installing a framework version that is not compatible with the application. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Detecting CPU Speed
by Luke Bellandi 26 Mar '07

26 Mar '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Gary, On Mar 24, 2007, at 5:55 PM, Gary Pederson wrote: On those systems, sysctl returns hw.cpufrequency: 533333332 hw.cpufrequency_min: 533333332 hw.cpufrequency_max: 533333332 When it should report hw.cpufrequency: 867000000 hw.cpufrequency_min: 533333332 hw.cpufrequency_max: 867000000 - Luke Thanks, Gary Pederson _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/luke%40apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… I've been detecting CPU speed in my InstallationCheck scripts using `sysctl -n hw.cpufrequency` and `sysctl -n hw.cpufrequency_max` These are returning the correct values on most machines, but the wrong values on other machines (at least 867MHz G4 PowerBooks in 10.3.9) -- So some of our customers get a confusing message about their CPU being too slow. Are these values returned from your Javascript functions in your distribution, or are they the values returned from /usr/sbin/sysctl? If they're coming from your Javascript, check what /usr/sbin/sysctl is returning for that property and let us know if that's correct. Is there a way to accurately detect the maximum cpu speed on all OS X Macs? Or at least on the ones I need to support (G4, G5, x86 -- 10.3.9 and later)? This email sent to luke(a)apple.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Installer project directory clarifications
by Luke Bellandi 26 Mar '07

26 Mar '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi Mike & Stéphane, On dimanche, mars 25, 2007, at 06:20 PM, Mike wrote: <snip> Actually there is. Consider this example: receipt 1: MySoftware Application v1.0 receipt 2: MySoftware Framework v1.0 receipt 1: MySoftware Application v1.0 receipt 2: MySoftware Framework v1.1 receipt 1: MySoftware Application v1.1 receipt 2: MySoftware Framework v1.1 receipt 1: MySoftware v1.0 receipt 1: MySoftware v1.0 receipt 2: MySoftware Framework Update v1.0 receipt 1: MySoftware v1.0 receipt 2: MySoftware Framework Update v1.0 receipt 3: MySoftware Application Update v1.0 Best, Luke My 0.01503€ _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/luke%40apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… On Mar 25, 2007, at 11:57 AM, Stéphane Sudre wrote: But there's really no interest in creating a package per raw components (application, associated frameworks, Application Support sub folder, etc...) Let's say you're shipping a product that has an application and a framework. You make 2 packages, one with the application and one with the framework. You then make a distribution that installs both bundles. Up to this point, this is functionally equivalent to putting everything in one package, except that you will have two receipts: 2 weeks later you realize there's a bug in your framework, so you want to ship a fix for it. Since you shipped two packages in the original case, you can ship an update package with just the framework. It will upgrade the framework and leave the application alone, so your receipts will look like: Then 4 weeks later you add a feature to your application, and ship that as a separate package, you'd end up with: If you were to ship the initial software package as one package, you would have: After shipping the framework patch, you'd need an additional receipt, so you'd have: After shipping the updated application, you'd need yet another receipt, so you'd have: As you can see, method 2 gets messier as time goes on and you ship updates to your software's components. I'd suggest you spend some time considering what the most logical divisions in your software product are, and create individual software packages along those lines. It will make life much easier for you as you ship updates to your software. This email sent to luke(a)apple.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Postgres within installer sometimes does not work
by Brian Ray 26 Mar '07

26 Mar '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com On Mar 26, 2007, at 8:48 AM, Peter Elmers wrote: --disable-rpath is only part of relocatable installs. Are you doing something like: hth, Brian Ray bray(a)sent.com http://kazavoo.com/blog _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… I configured postgres to write a log-file, but it did not write it. Not even touch one. To have postgres running, i compiled it with "--disable-rpath" and with a prefix to have a version, which can be installed anywhere i like. What do you mean with "your own copy of system libraries"? Do you mean it could be helpful to have some system libraries deployed together with the postgres folder and extending the amount of libraries already shipped with the lib-folder of pgsql? Minimally, you will probably need to tell the OS how to find shared libraries (ie setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH). Better, you can statically link to anything PosgreSQL uses. What is going wrong is sure to be some incompatibility between dependancies or where your looking for them since your install runs on other cases. Or something unique to the environment or user permissions between the systems where you are testing installations. You should be able to run 'otool -L' on the postgresql binaries to see what they use dynamically. Have you tried this? Its a little odd you are not getting logs or getting errors to the console. Have you tried starting up your copy of postgres from the command line. In other words, precisely how are you starting the postmaster? $(PREFIX)/bin/pg_ctl -D $(PREFIX)/pgsql/data -l $(PREFIX)/logs/ postgres.log start This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Postgres within installer sometimes does not work
by Peter Elmers 26 Mar '07

26 Mar '07

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