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Re: How to make update package with Package Maker?
by jmunson＠his.com 18 May '09

18 May '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Namaste! My apologies for hijacking this thread... I think I have a related issue. Thanks! Peace, Love, and Light, /s/ Jon C. Munson II Quoting Greg Neagle <Greg.Neagle(a)disneyanimation.com>: Or alternately, your updater package must have a different name and identifier and contain pre-install logic that makes sure the earlier version of the software is installed before it can run. I prefer Karl's recommendation, however. -Greg On May 18, 2009, at 10:36 AM, Karl Kuehn wrote: On May 18, 2009, at 1:00 AM, Chris Gardner wrote: -- Karl Kuehn larkost(a)softhome.net _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/greg.neagle%40disneyan… _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/jmunson%40his.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… I have implemented Sparkle in my applications. To the best of my knowledge it is doing its job. It connects, senses an update, downloads it, and either extracts the zip (which is what I temporarily have in place at the moment) or runs the .pkg that is there. The .pkg fails though, so I've implemented the application-only zip for now. The reason I need to use a package for updates is there are other files in addition to my app that need to be changed as well and they are not in the same folder as the app. The package appears to execute, but does not overwrite the application file. There are no errors nor an install.log file. I am wondering if the reason this happens is the name & identifier have not changed from the old version? Karl states to "bump the version number." What does he mean by that more specifically? I have a pragram of alpha version and want to update this version to add new files. After making a update package with Package Maker tool, and setuping the update package, the same name of original file will be instead, but the others will disappear. Why? Apple's installer system is being helpful, it is just not working the way you think. When it installs a package it writes out a receipt (or into the reciepts.db) the list of files that it installed. When you then install something with the same name/identifier it compares the list of files to what is already installed, and figures that if a file that was in the old version is not in the new version it should remove it (cleaning up after itself). The problem in this case is that you are trying to out-think the installer, and so it is removing files that you still want in the later version. How can I update the old specified files ,meanwhile do not delete the others with update package made by Package Maker. Don't try and create packages that are just updaters. Create a new full installer of the latest version (and bump the version number), and Apple's installer will take care of "updating" for you. This email sent to greg.neagle(a)disneyanimation.com This email sent to jmunson(a)his.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: How to make update package with Package Maker?
by Greg Neagle 18 May '09

18 May '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com I prefer Karl's recommendation, however. -Greg On May 18, 2009, at 10:36 AM, Karl Kuehn wrote: On May 18, 2009, at 1:00 AM, Chris Gardner wrote: -- Karl Kuehn larkost(a)softhome.net _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/greg.neagle%40disneyan… _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Or alternately, your updater package must have a different name and identifier and contain pre-install logic that makes sure the earlier version of the software is installed before it can run. I have a pragram of alpha version and want to update this version to add new files. After making a update package with Package Maker tool, and setuping the update package, the same name of original file will be instead, but the others will disappear. Why? Apple's installer system is being helpful, it is just not working the way you think. When it installs a package it writes out a receipt (or into the reciepts.db) the list of files that it installed. When you then install something with the same name/ identifier it compares the list of files to what is already installed, and figures that if a file that was in the old version is not in the new version it should remove it (cleaning up after itself). The problem in this case is that you are trying to out-think the installer, and so it is removing files that you still want in the later version. How can I update the old specified files ,meanwhile do not delete the others with update package made by Package Maker. Don't try and create packages that are just updaters. Create a new full installer of the latest version (and bump the version number), and Apple's installer will take care of "updating" for you. This email sent to greg.neagle(a)disneyanimation.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: How to make update package with Package Maker?
by Bill Coderre 18 May '09

18 May '09

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Re: How to make update package with Package Maker?
by Karl Kuehn 18 May '09

18 May '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:cc:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=Xyn6zLyd4i5n8YEYJBAOCKPvV3ugwogOj3anb2oMPgQ=; b=DYMetg67wJ/zmkOSZfxgU/c54gEpA/Xdc91DNjFjiyGm289MBtKITLOy08zlfwWHyU BL8GMDv1a0RPOkkFScFc7Ort9QCSrYALjXf1ThBFO491saF/jcSM958nX3zV2c6OrbM7 wm1m6HYVA+SGmFb8/277B8WpLE+JOXZoXlR9E= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=OhvtMeNp/rB5ulTVCTQFbeYtayiX4ISRtyj4K29DDa3cDjhYGpmHhHnFDaN0Jmufvc XoiC9bsZjkqExrI2op/ppOK2qBDTTEiU5grOxNu6UHb7ywFbW4ldBADetkYlo+qfVdKR krk/yJQrnXOHTEb03Lynm9ipOa1t5ZZFYY6j4= On May 18, 2009, at 1:00 AM, Chris Gardner wrote: -- Karl Kuehn larkost(a)softhome.net _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… I have a pragram of alpha version and want to update this version to add new files. After making a update package with Package Maker tool, and setuping the update package, the same name of original file will be instead, but the others will disappear. Why? Apple's installer system is being helpful, it is just not working the way you think. When it installs a package it writes out a receipt (or into the reciepts.db) the list of files that it installed. When you then install something with the same name/identifier it compares the list of files to what is already installed, and figures that if a file that was in the old version is not in the new version it should remove it (cleaning up after itself). The problem in this case is that you are trying to out-think the installer, and so it is removing files that you still want in the later version. How can I update the old specified files ,meanwhile do not delete the others with update package made by Package Maker. Don't try and create packages that are just updaters. Create a new full installer of the latest version (and bump the version number), and Apple's installer will take care of "updating" for you. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Cached distribution contents in PM 3?
by John Williams 18 May '09

18 May '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi I'm converting our PackageMaker v2 installers to use PM 3. I have several packages that I then bundle into 1 distribution. It seems that PackageMaker caches the contents of the packages into the distribution at the time the package is added. If I remove files from my staging area and rebuild the individual package the distribution does not seem to reflect those changes. Am I missing something? Also, I notice a lot of crashes when switching from Raw Editing Mode to the Normal Editing Mode. Is this a known problem? And 1 more question: Is it possible in the PM 3 UI to rearrange the choices in the distribution? Thanks -- John Williams Sr Software Engineer Typefi Systems Pty Ltd _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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How to make update package with Package Maker?
by Chris Gardner 18 May '09

18 May '09

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Re: Making an uninstaller
by Andrew Merenbach 18 May '09

18 May '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com On May 17, 2009, at 6:23 PM, Eli Bach wrote: On May 17, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Andrew Merenbach wrote: Hi, all, Cheers, Andrew Most setups either: -provide a list of things for the end-user to delete -provide/install a shell script to delete installed components -provide/install an application to delete installed components Eli Hi, Eli, Once again, I appreciate your time. Cheers, Andrew _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… I searched lists.apple.com under installer-dev for "uninstall" and "uninstaller" and came up with only a couple of answers--both from long ago--so I'm wondering whether the protocol has changed. I'm about to distribute an installer package, and would like to know whether it's possible to include an uninstaller package, as well. Apologies if this sounds like a terribly newbie-ish question, but can I create my installer such that the same installer package, upon opening and finding the current version of its products installed, provides an uninstall option, without using a script but instead using the installer's own path determination mechanism (since it does, after all, know where its components go)? If I do need a script, what is the recommended way to get it called from the installer package, so that I don't need to distribute a separate item for people to open? I'm using PackageMaker 3.0.3 under Leopard, and am sure that I've missed something quite obvious in the documentation, but searching developer.apple.com for "uninstaller" failed to produce anything, either. Many thanks for your time! First, end-users wouldn't expect an Installer package to have an uninstall option anywhere. The few 'installers' that do this are full on applications, that do both installation and uninstallation. There have been requests for an Apple-provided uninstall capability, since, well, Mac OS X first came out... Thanks for your response. Looks like I didn't miss anything, then, save for some of those discussions you mention (I recall seeing some a long while ago, but ironically I had thought I'd recalled seeing someone mention more recent versions of PackageMaker being used for making uninstallers--guess I was wrong!!!). I suppose, then, that I'll have to include a Perl script with my distributions for uninstallation, à la Apple's Developer Tools. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Making an uninstaller
by Eli Bach 18 May '09

18 May '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject :mime-version:date:references:x-mailer; bh=SDtFkFbtFKNtMQT3xjSR639d7RlreCeG9TiDWgUqRSk=; b=I/TGfTpAFTxF/ECGdOSdx0tYZJPhiGpLOTQ7k+N09ADQh1ogYUt/bIyo0nke1biO9J jqQXTKhWdxXaBlbLJ5ODfGCxxeT+HtWfciZZER/Lc8XAOYUBW0Tggc6o1WMX4lZQ4uRW nuq13neq0vfOqu3QLr8DLa6XR1ljmuD56zuuY= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:subject:mime-version:date:references :x-mailer; b=v3aJLFl2CxdRQMpOwSUl1qBBK/D/iSKvXk3dt+2pHI2KgZmKlX4fnuXPOI1kvj5WeU p7UQkP1xvEAyXmzPFKxAVN3u4CTNOh0XfRZ4Ho7l4oEmaGK8/4hyssESKUHGE4WGTPpd e5/dPnWqoIY70UEIYxzojMbnPjhV+SNCFFrgE= On May 17, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Andrew Merenbach wrote: Hi, all, Cheers, Andrew Most setups either: -provide a list of things for the end-user to delete -provide/install a shell script to delete installed components -provide/install an application to delete installed components Eli _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… I searched lists.apple.com under installer-dev for "uninstall" and "uninstaller" and came up with only a couple of answers--both from long ago--so I'm wondering whether the protocol has changed. I'm about to distribute an installer package, and would like to know whether it's possible to include an uninstaller package, as well. Apologies if this sounds like a terribly newbie-ish question, but can I create my installer such that the same installer package, upon opening and finding the current version of its products installed, provides an uninstall option, without using a script but instead using the installer's own path determination mechanism (since it does, after all, know where its components go)? If I do need a script, what is the recommended way to get it called from the installer package, so that I don't need to distribute a separate item for people to open? I'm using PackageMaker 3.0.3 under Leopard, and am sure that I've missed something quite obvious in the documentation, but searching developer.apple.com for "uninstaller" failed to produce anything, either. Many thanks for your time! First, end-users wouldn't expect an Installer package to have an uninstall option anywhere. The few 'installers' that do this are full on applications, that do both installation and uninstallation. There have been requests for an Apple-provided uninstall capability, since, well, Mac OS X first came out... This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Making an uninstaller
by Andrew Merenbach 18 May '09

18 May '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi, all, Cheers, Andrew _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… I searched lists.apple.com under installer-dev for "uninstall" and "uninstaller" and came up with only a couple of answers--both from long ago--so I'm wondering whether the protocol has changed. I'm about to distribute an installer package, and would like to know whether it's possible to include an uninstaller package, as well. Apologies if this sounds like a terribly newbie-ish question, but can I create my installer such that the same installer package, upon opening and finding the current version of its products installed, provides an uninstall option, without using a script but instead using the installer's own path determination mechanism (since it does, after all, know where its components go)? If I do need a script, what is the recommended way to get it called from the installer package, so that I don't need to distribute a separate item for people to open? I'm using PackageMaker 3.0.3 under Leopard, and am sure that I've missed something quite obvious in the documentation, but searching developer.apple.com for "uninstaller" failed to produce anything, either. Many thanks for your time! This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Package up-grade action in PackageMaker 3.0.3
by Greg Neagle 14 May '09

14 May '09

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