August 2009 - Installer-dev

Re: icons not showing up?
by Iceberg-Dev 11 Aug '09

11 Aug '09

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Re: Package Maker background color
by Bill Coderre 11 Aug '09

11 Aug '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Is it possible to use an image with a transparent background? On Aug 11, 2009, at 7:06 AM, Howard Moon wrote: On Aug 11, 2009, at 6:45 AM, Philip Aker wrote: On 2009-08-10, at 15:38:31, Howard Moon wrote: Since there does not seem to be an attribute that tells the installer to use a specific default background *color* (so that any area exposed by the window expanding in size is the same color as the custom background's background color), is there a color choice that I can use as the background color of my custom background image, such that if the window grows and exposes "unpainted" areas, it will blend in with my background seamlessly? (And will this color be the same across OS versions 10.4,10.5 and 10.6 (etc.)?) That's a thought. Do any of the supported graphics types allow saving with a transparent background? If so, I'll see how that looks. (Although, I'm not sure it will look as nice as white.) Yes, compressed tiff supports transparency, and most all the Apple installers with custom backgrounds (iLife, for example) use that format. The iLife 08 installer was pretty keen because it had a "tall" image that showed more of itself when the window grew. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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icons not showing up?
by Howard Moon 11 Aug '09

11 Aug '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Thanks for all the help so far! Regards, -Howard _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… I've finally got my PackageMaker-built installer working, but there's one issue remaining: the executables (an app and a plug-in) are not showing their icons. When doing a VISE-X install, they show up, but not after doing a package install. Anyone know how to tell why not, or how to force Finder to show them? Looking in Terminal, I can see a file whose name is listed as "Icon?" in both my source files and in the final install, but *something* must be different between the two, since the source files show their icon (as does the VISE-X installed version), but the package-installed versions don't. Any thoughts? This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Package Maker background color
by Howard Moon 11 Aug '09

11 Aug '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com On Aug 11, 2009, at 6:45 AM, Philip Aker wrote: On 2009-08-10, at 15:38:31, Howard Moon wrote: Is it possible to use an image with a transparent background? Thanks, -Howard _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Since there does not seem to be an attribute that tells the installer to use a specific default background *color* (so that any area exposed by the window expanding in size is the same color as the custom background's background color), is there a color choice that I can use as the background color of my custom background image, such that if the window grows and exposes "unpainted" areas, it will blend in with my background seamlessly? (And will this color be the same across OS versions 10.4,10.5 and 10.6 (etc.)?) That's a thought. Do any of the supported graphics types allow saving with a transparent background? If so, I'll see how that looks. (Although, I'm not sure it will look as nice as white.) This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Package Maker background color
by Philip Aker 11 Aug '09

11 Aug '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com On 2009-08-10, at 15:38:31, Howard Moon wrote: Is it possible to use an image with a transparent background? Philip Aker echo astwta@lvpc.dslh@nl | tr a-z@. p-za-o.@ Democracy: Two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Since there does not seem to be an attribute that tells the installer to use a specific default background *color* (so that any area exposed by the window expanding in size is the same color as the custom background's background color), is there a color choice that I can use as the background color of my custom background image, such that if the window grows and exposes "unpainted" areas, it will blend in with my background seamlessly? (And will this color be the same across OS versions 10.4,10.5 and 10.6 (etc.)?) This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Package Maker background color
by Bill Coderre 10 Aug '09

10 Aug '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com The answer is, no, there is nothing that does precisely what you want. Then use "none" for scaling. Thanks, -Howard On Aug 10, 2009, at 2:56 PM, Bill Coderre wrote: So does that mean the answer is "no"? Is this an Installer.app bug in the new OS? Or, is there a specific color we should use as our background color? -Howard On Aug 7, 2009, at 7:13 AM, Rusty Myers wrote: This site has a good picture with the measurements http://s.sudre.free.fr/Stuff/PackageMaker_Howto.html On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Tim Murison<tim.murison(a)radialpoint.com> wrote: Hi, -Tim _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/bc%40apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Since a white background is not acceptable, I'd make a larger image, say, twice as tall and 20% wider than the default window size, and fill the extra space with a solid color or simple pattern. Save it as a compressed tiff, and the file size "bloat" will be rather small. Heck, try it twice as tall and twice as wide. On Aug 10, 2009, at 3:38 PM, Howard Moon wrote: but what does that tell me? I already know how to insert a background image into my installer package. That's working fine. The problem is that if the installer window changes size (as it does sometimes), then the background has to either stretch (which can look bad) or stay pinned to some side (which exposes the Installer's default window color). The question is, how to resolve this? Since there does not seem to be an attribute that tells the installer to use a specific default background *color* (so that any area exposed by the window expanding in size is the same color as the custom background's background color), is there a color choice that I can use as the background color of my custom background image, such that if the window grows and exposes "unpainted" areas, it will blend in with my background seamlessly? (And will this color be the same across OS versions 10.4,10.5 and 10.6 (etc.)?) So there's two cases: distribution-based installers, and the older format. In the distribution scripts, there's a tag in the xml called "background" which is documented in this document: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/DeveloperTools/Reference/Distribut… The older format, there are flags in the Info.plist, which I am not sure where they are documented. Stephane has probably written them up. IFPkgFlagBackgroundAlignment IFPkgFlagBackgroundScaling On Aug 10, 2009, at 2:10 PM, Howard Moon wrote: Those measurements only apply for the default size of the pane. They don't help if the pane changes size. Under the new OS, if the user is able to change volumes, then the screen that appears increases in vertical size (instead of using a sideways-scrolling window for the list of volumes). This makes the background image the wrong size. As the OP stated, this makes a region appear that's not the same as our background. And making it stretch to fit causes our logo to stretch vertically, which is not acceptable. I am setting a background image to my installer packages. Sometimes the installer resizes its windows and when this happens, I can see the background color which is not the same as my image. Is it possible to set background color in Package Maker, if not, what size do I need to make my image to ensure that it will always cover the entire background of the installer window (I do not want to it stretch out of proportion). This email sent to bc(a)apple.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Package Maker background color
by Howard Moon 10 Aug '09

10 Aug '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Umm, ok... Thanks, -Howard On Aug 10, 2009, at 2:56 PM, Bill Coderre wrote: So does that mean the answer is "no"? Is this an Installer.app bug in the new OS? Or, is there a specific color we should use as our background color? -Howard On Aug 7, 2009, at 7:13 AM, Rusty Myers wrote: This site has a good picture with the measurements http://s.sudre.free.fr/Stuff/PackageMaker_Howto.html On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Tim Murison<tim.murison(a)radialpoint.com> wrote: Hi, -Tim _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… but what does that tell me? I already know how to insert a background image into my installer package. That's working fine. The problem is that if the installer window changes size (as it does sometimes), then the background has to either stretch (which can look bad) or stay pinned to some side (which exposes the Installer's default window color). The question is, how to resolve this? Since there does not seem to be an attribute that tells the installer to use a specific default background *color* (so that any area exposed by the window expanding in size is the same color as the custom background's background color), is there a color choice that I can use as the background color of my custom background image, such that if the window grows and exposes "unpainted" areas, it will blend in with my background seamlessly? (And will this color be the same across OS versions 10.4,10.5 and 10.6 (etc.)?) So there's two cases: distribution-based installers, and the older format. In the distribution scripts, there's a tag in the xml called "background" which is documented in this document: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/DeveloperTools/Reference/Distribut… The older format, there are flags in the Info.plist, which I am not sure where they are documented. Stephane has probably written them up. IFPkgFlagBackgroundAlignment IFPkgFlagBackgroundScaling On Aug 10, 2009, at 2:10 PM, Howard Moon wrote: Those measurements only apply for the default size of the pane. They don't help if the pane changes size. Under the new OS, if the user is able to change volumes, then the screen that appears increases in vertical size (instead of using a sideways-scrolling window for the list of volumes). This makes the background image the wrong size. As the OP stated, this makes a region appear that's not the same as our background. And making it stretch to fit causes our logo to stretch vertically, which is not acceptable. I am setting a background image to my installer packages. Sometimes the installer resizes its windows and when this happens, I can see the background color which is not the same as my image. Is it possible to set background color in Package Maker, if not, what size do I need to make my image to ensure that it will always cover the entire background of the installer window (I do not want to it stretch out of proportion). This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Package Maker background color
by Bill Coderre 10 Aug '09

10 Aug '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com So does that mean the answer is "no"? Is this an Installer.app bug in the new OS? Or, is there a specific color we should use as our background color? -Howard On Aug 7, 2009, at 7:13 AM, Rusty Myers wrote: This site has a good picture with the measurements http://s.sudre.free.fr/Stuff/PackageMaker_Howto.html On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Tim Murison<tim.murison(a)radialpoint.com> wrote: Hi, -Tim *********************************************************************** This email sent to rustymyers.lists(a)gmail.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/howard%40antarestech.c… _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/bc%40apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… So there's two cases: distribution-based installers, and the older format. In the distribution scripts, there's a tag in the xml called "background" which is documented in this document: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/DeveloperTools/Reference/Distribut… The older format, there are flags in the Info.plist, which I am not sure where they are documented. Stephane has probably written them up. IFPkgFlagBackgroundAlignment IFPkgFlagBackgroundScaling On Aug 10, 2009, at 2:10 PM, Howard Moon wrote: Those measurements only apply for the default size of the pane. They don't help if the pane changes size. Under the new OS, if the user is able to change volumes, then the screen that appears increases in vertical size (instead of using a sideways-scrolling window for the list of volumes). This makes the background image the wrong size. As the OP stated, this makes a region appear that's not the same as our background. And making it stretch to fit causes our logo to stretch vertically, which is not acceptable. I am setting a background image to my installer packages. Sometimes the installer resizes its windows and when this happens, I can see the background color which is not the same as my image. Is it possible to set background color in Package Maker, if not, what size do I need to make my image to ensure that it will always cover the entire background of the installer window (I do not want to it stretch out of proportion). This e-mail and its attachments are confidential, legally privileged, may be subject to copyright and sent solely for the attention of the addressee(s). Any unauthorized use or disclosure is prohibited. Statements and opinions expressed in this e-mail may not represent those of Radialpoint. Le contenu de ce courriel est confidentiel, privilégié et peut être soumis à des droits d'auteur. Il est envoyé à l'intention exclusive de son ou de ses destinataires. Il est interdit de l'utiliser ou de le divulguer sans autorisation. Les opinions exprimées dans le présent courriel peuvent diverger de celles de Radialpoint. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/rustymyers.lists%40gma… This email sent to howard(a)antarestech.com This email sent to bc(a)apple.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Package Maker background color
by Howard Moon 10 Aug '09

10 Aug '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com So does that mean the answer is "no"? Is this an Installer.app bug in the new OS? Or, is there a specific color we should use as our background color? -Howard On Aug 7, 2009, at 7:13 AM, Rusty Myers wrote: This site has a good picture with the measurements http://s.sudre.free.fr/Stuff/PackageMaker_Howto.html On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Tim Murison<tim.murison(a)radialpoint.com> wrote: Hi, -Tim *********************************************************************** This email sent to rustymyers.lists(a)gmail.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/howard%40antarestech.c… _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Those measurements only apply for the default size of the pane. They don't help if the pane changes size. Under the new OS, if the user is able to change volumes, then the screen that appears increases in vertical size (instead of using a sideways-scrolling window for the list of volumes). This makes the background image the wrong size. As the OP stated, this makes a region appear that's not the same as our background. And making it stretch to fit causes our logo to stretch vertically, which is not acceptable. I am setting a background image to my installer packages. Sometimes the installer resizes its windows and when this happens, I can see the background color which is not the same as my image. Is it possible to set background color in Package Maker, if not, what size do I need to make my image to ensure that it will always cover the entire background of the installer window (I do not want to it stretch out of proportion). This e-mail and its attachments are confidential, legally privileged, may be subject to copyright and sent solely for the attention of the addressee(s). Any unauthorized use or disclosure is prohibited. Statements and opinions expressed in this e-mail may not represent those of Radialpoint. Le contenu de ce courriel est confidentiel, privilégié et peut être soumis à des droits d'auteur. Il est envoyé à l'intention exclusive de son ou de ses destinataires. Il est interdit de l'utiliser ou de le divulguer sans autorisation. Les opinions exprimées dans le présent courriel peuvent diverger de celles de Radialpoint. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/rustymyers.lists%40gma… This email sent to howard(a)antarestech.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: custom backgrounds in only *some* dialogs?
by Iceberg-Dev 07 Aug '09

07 Aug '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding :from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=jwGS832CnlkZdu8bQbAqx9xWoUH4HjuIUByd1bQATpQ=; b=p4GXm1S+cAryiEWJF5rrdDysZNXEWLS9RN7p3+egy+MiktrtVCy08yDFP/0GLSyYyZ SOmeMkjQyXQIt5LrMfwMTUFVI6+UUCjlOGpqqlPH0HE5oUeUg7F6L9QfAfAe4Q0aTWVB W3PK27C4jSfsARMM3TPLRStlbJJTM2pdkPiWY= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc :content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Lvw77xFBxSUY1iV6KYcLl5UEnGPDAdXQcrB1SiqQ2W2bURhiU5Rae+uSbqaMr9kkp0 xdvQ8ZexVyrXniRTjK0RIcrgBsLAAMB6oQNRJ1mj4wOUHLQGxKHV9SAJXaPKCJl+qbt8 o4Ny4YfQFkoBCuu1f+lz9SxqjAfzj3d3MIaZk= On Aug 7, 2009, at 6:22 PM, Howard Moon wrote: Hi all, Installer.app format limitation. http://s.sudre.free.fr/Stuff/Installer/Installer_Plugins/index.html Hope it can help. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… is there any way to have our custom background only show up for *some* dialogs? It's annoying to have an image behind the scrolling text of the license, for example (even though we've made it so it's a ghost-like image of our logo). And the tiny amount of space at the bottom left isn't really suitable for our logo. Personally, I'm not a big fan of putting a small logo in the lower left corner. It almost always looks better to put a big translucent one (alpha <= 0.3) right aligned. If you want to display a nice clean logo of your company or application, you can use the Welcome text for that or set it as the background picture of the disk image if you use one for distribution. I've messed around a little bit with an installer plugin, but have not yet found any documentation describing how I might create a dialog and insert it in the install sequence. (The default installer plugin, when added to my installer, simply shows a view on top of one of the existing dialogs in the sequence, not a separate window.) Assuming that by dialog, you mean pane. Yes, that was an Installer Plugin is for. To display an additional step with one or more panes. The pane is where your UI should go if you want to ensure a smooth experience for the end user. Separate windows would be used mostly for alerts or notifications related to panes. On a more general note, is the apparent inability to add or customize dialogs in the installers a function of the Apple installer app, or just the tools (e.g., PackageMaker or Iceberg)? Is there anyone out there who's making package installers and does *any* customization? Is there any documentation on how to go about it? Writing Installer Plugins requires Cocoa development. You can find additional information here: This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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