August 2009 - Installer-dev

Re: Permissions for files in Iceberg
by Iceberg-Dev 06 Aug '09

06 Aug '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding :from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=sx/TMCTJulJAp7hrnUixF14Wm9xrmlG8ymzJJ8jWqFc=; b=BYPXGbkmyVYghnKrrGJssQaqp9i1XwEA2hYjYWv+PXvUU6GSzvPwsFxyJbpRvLRRyf 9pEbXTznAgL2o7Lo1LWGKLSbAffNueEzJXFfvR+4xVRQkcJvdsxNNHE+pcfx/9sIqDIO 5266iyBOd4F4dRuVqCLx8RZSX3v7muJG8IREg= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc :content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=HB3MGCp5DlgUv0KR0b2IGXpC7NA4kUdEGVlqL8/iSf3qvkAAIIUD0UcpZH6hEymNWS yKJ1uORSvMloHAOVxAjHB5cX2l74JrxUXnNSRtFuG060q7Wmmpnzd0j/YLS4k2spl2cS WbSWW9SFWmsNBGCCTqVjQWKL6iBMZ7SlVy6ZQ= On Aug 6, 2009, at 7:35 PM, Howard Moon wrote: Hi all, _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… I've just started using Iceberg, and have a question about file permissions. I need the group and owner permissions to be maintained when installing, but when I look at the info for a file that I've added, while the permissions look correct, it states that the owner is "Howard" (me). Is this ok, or is there a specific owner selection I should choose that would specify "whoever's the current owner on the destination machine"? You can use the Inspector window to set the appropriate permissions. Usually, it's root:admin. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Custom dialogs in PackageMaker?
by Iceberg-Dev 06 Aug '09

06 Aug '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from :subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=p1m3lmZHcymSQcQUt1gur0pAwy6Gd61NFBdaicSDnSE=; b=h+JVRFrMId5S9MUL3bHSu1tHMGnyCS+qCT9ayEbDvjnEV+5WNah5oMCMfVtBkWBbDx 9ZhXjUBizQikAtQh9rjLWICMqDo7vfSS9izv8KweRIsFStkx+PEUofeGn2msmb7QYYAH xyqZ5asydWb7Uvn+m2UegniZ3llRu47h4qsgI= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=CFbDpH0Yb+e0+Ps0LraEADi3qrC+YUk5Ubvgvv9zvYK3KtXAopw+OeUu86Ap7Z23CS Xm1KEINQBDcDQoCm1WSloPSPuB/OMkMf9hIR259tYEcWcxsCjYb+z0OFOQVHJbj1CjQ4 LtVHshWd0LKLgjt9MJScyi7uM19mrWWjJ+aIc= On Aug 6, 2009, at 8:23 PM, Karl Kuehn wrote: On Aug 6, 2009, at 9:15 AM, Howard Moon wrote: So a few notes about this: 2 companies that use custom dialog: - Apple, Inc - Microsoft Corp _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… I'm new to this list and to PackageMaker. I've been using VISE- X, and one of the things we do often is to add a custom dialog to the installation. I can't find any way to do this using PackageMaker. Overall, it seems like a much less useful tool than VISE-X (although it's free, so that's something!). Is there a way to add custom dialogs in PackageMaker? 1) You can create pkg plugins that can have custom dialogs, etc. You will have to do a little work, but it is not that tough. 2) You could put GUI things into scripts, but this is a really, really bad idea (see item 4). 3) I have rarely seen things that actually need custom GUIs. Most things will work with a thought-through custom package choices page. The only exception I can think of is EULA pages, and that is already part of the installer. Custom dialog can prove useful if you want to ask the user to quit the application you want to update. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Another Iceberg question
by Howard Moon 06 Aug '09

06 Aug '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi again, Thanks, -Howard _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… sorry to be such a pain, but does anyone know if there's a way to make Iceberg-built installers only allow the "Standard Install" option? All my components are Required components, so I'm surprised that it shows the "Customize" button when running the installer. Since there's nothing to Customize, is shouldn't show that button, but I can't figure out how to hide it. (In PackageMaker, there's an option for that.) This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Custom dialogs in PackageMaker?
by Karl Kuehn 06 Aug '09

06 Aug '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com On Aug 6, 2009, at 9:15 AM, Howard Moon wrote: So a few notes about this: I'm new to this list and to PackageMaker. I've been using VISE-X, and one of the things we do often is to add a custom dialog to the installation. I can't find any way to do this using PackageMaker. Overall, it seems like a much less useful tool than VISE-X (although it's free, so that's something!). Is there a way to add custom dialogs in PackageMaker? 1) You can create pkg plugins that can have custom dialogs, etc. You will have to do a little work, but it is not that tough. 2) You could put GUI things into scripts, but this is a really, really bad idea (see item 4). 3) I have rarely seen things that actually need custom GUIs. Most things will work with a thought-through custom package choices page. The only exception I can think of is EULA pages, and that is already part of the installer. 4) As a system admin I will STRONGLY caution you to rethink that putting custom dialogs in and installer, for all the same reasons that make VISE hated by system administrators: - Your installers will be used in situations where the person doing the install is not at the computer, and has no access to the GUI. Here I am talking about ARD installs, automated imaging systems, and the like. If you try and put up a GUI your installer may hang. These sorts of systems are becoming more wide-spread. And do you really want to get lumped in with Adobe in hatred by admins? - Installers run in the background that pop up messages will surprise users who may not know (or care) that IT is installing things/updates on their computer in the background. - Your program should more properly take care of anything you would do in an installer on first-run (or better yet: whenever it needs the information). Putting things in the installer only means that you can't correct them later. Remember: users of your product might not have access to the installer (that might be in the hands of IT). I've also heard about a free program called Iceberg. Is that something that might be more useful than PackageMaker (in Leopard)? Can custom dialogs be added in that software (easily)? Iceberg makes .pkg's, just like PackageMaker. So the outcome is going to be identical to PackageMaker. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Permissions for files in Iceberg
by Eli Bach 06 Aug '09

06 Aug '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject :mime-version:date:references:x-mailer; bh=iHTmUrj8wrYMebevnZnYwbKYsl4X5zZWWQKMikJJwtU=; b=AENVr0vfubE/vJ1jNAhTdoMZBvjB3eOrdBO2xbcOqRiqa0j/VNJb698bLOY06wr0Pa 09tIc8fIfATQ7p1SuBoesm3pePEXSy5Xh6t/85fGeY1ccERFRoRtTDHy7iHpxvKJ7Z9x k9eQfyASu62gspTbpkUgzcDB/p97pfqkcFW4Q= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:subject:mime-version:date:references :x-mailer; b=sdBVxOCvbNraI5JDU7lY2njFvzWEkHSa+z5SUAm0UMH1dN3UmbMytLjCXYkP0+E14n cQE0umMfqZmPLkTCpjgajzcvF07TUAw5rZu8iMbC8mmsZ+TcLaWbHJhc0vtZjXIF3klJ XNyICZsK6ZCo/FEL6vW9ZJsjOdm/Re5T8zMi4= On Aug 6, 2009, at 10:35 AM, Howard Moon wrote: Hi all, Eli _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… I've just started using Iceberg, and have a question about file permissions. I need the group and owner permissions to be maintained when installing, but when I look at the info for a file that I've added, while the permissions look correct, it states that the owner is "Howard" (me). Is this ok, or is there a specific owner selection I should choose that would specify "whoever's the current owner on the destination machine"? I believe the 'usual' way to make sure permission/user information is correct for making packages is to script creating a 'source' folder, which holds the folder structure of where you want the files installed, and have the script set the proper info on the files in those folders. Now, it's been quite some time since I looked at Iceberg (vs using PackageMaker), but I found this to work well for me, for the non- relocatable packages I've made that need admin permission to install. It make need to be done differently if you are installing into the user's home folder or if the package can be installed on other volumes. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Permissions for files in Iceberg
by Howard Moon 06 Aug '09

06 Aug '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi all, Thanks, -Howard _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… I've just started using Iceberg, and have a question about file permissions. I need the group and owner permissions to be maintained when installing, but when I look at the info for a file that I've added, while the permissions look correct, it states that the owner is "Howard" (me). Is this ok, or is there a specific owner selection I should choose that would specify "whoever's the current owner on the destination machine"? This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Custom dialogs in PackageMaker?
by Howard Moon 06 Aug '09

06 Aug '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi all, Thanks for any help/hints... -Howard _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… I'm new to this list and to PackageMaker. I've been using VISE-X, and one of the things we do often is to add a custom dialog to the installation. I can't find any way to do this using PackageMaker. Overall, it seems like a much less useful tool than VISE-X (although it's free, so that's something!). Is there a way to add custom dialogs in PackageMaker? I've also heard about a free program called Iceberg. Is that something that might be more useful than PackageMaker (in Leopard)? Can custom dialogs be added in that software (easily)? This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Package installation check...
by Charles E. Heizer 05 Aug '09

05 Aug '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Thread-index: AcoWBzS23Ja+gBUHTWaxvic5XXCT2A== Thread-topic: Package installation check... Hello, I would like to know if it's possible to run through the Installation checks on a package to see if it can even be installed on a system? For example, I have created a Test distribution package which I know will fail, it's requiring >= 20 CPU's. I would like to run a command from the command line to see if this package is applicable to this system. I have played with installer using the following args (-dominfo - volinfo -pkginfo) and they all come back with valid info but none of them seem to run the requirements to tell me that it wont install. Thanks, Charles Heizer _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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RE: Package Maker background color
by Adam Peck 04 Aug '09

04 Aug '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Thread-index: AcoSP73JGSP4mnkyQoqxTJ8pllZzvwC0yLMg Thread-topic: Package Maker background color We use colored backgrounds but we fade to Alpha on the top and the right in kind of an Arc. We set the background to bottom-left and that way if it grows it still looks right. -Adam -----Original Message----- From: installer-dev-bounces+adampeck=smarttech.com(a)lists.apple.com [mailto:installer-dev-bounces+adampeck=smarttech.com@lists.apple.com] On Behalf Of Iceberg-Dev Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 6:34 PM To: Tim Murison Cc: Installer Dev Subject: Re: Package Maker background color On Jul 31, 2009, at 6:54 PM, Tim Murison wrote: > Hi, > > I am setting a background image to my installer packages. Sometimes > the > installer resizes its windows and when this happens, I can see the > background color which is not the same as my image. > > Is it possible to set background color in Package Maker, No, it isn't possible. > if not, what size do I need to make my image to ensure that it will > always cover the entire > background of the installer window (I do not want to it stretch out of > proportion). If you're building packages for Mac OS X 10.4 or later, there is no solution to prevent resizing (both automatically by Installer.app and manually by the user). If you can live without a background color, try an alpha image. IMHO, background picture with a color are not a good idea in most cases because it can make it more difficult to read the steps on the left or the contents of the pane on the right. My $0.02 _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/adampeck%40smarttech.c… This email sent to adampeck(a)smarttech.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Robert L Maggi/593567/EKC is out of the office.
by robert.maggi＠kodak.com 01 Aug '09

01 Aug '09

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