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Re: Can an FXPlug report to me path to source media?
by Wes Plate 30 Apr '07

30 Apr '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Thread-index: AceLSNrpGcFopfc8Edu+2QAWy5GJ9Q== Thread-topic: Can an FXPlug report to me path to source media? User-agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 On 4/30/07 9:53 AM, "Dave Howell" wrote: > No, we don't have anything like that in the FxPlug SDK. I'm curious, > if you can say, why this would be useful, though, just in case > there's some other cleaner way to accomplish the same thing. > > It seems to me that you would need a lot more information than just > the URL or path, right? You'd need to know how the host app is > interpreting the contents of the file (alpha type, in and out points, > cropping, frame rate adjustment, or whatever). And of course some > clips might consist of multiple paths, as in the case of a sequence > of image files, and as you pointed out, others might have not even > have URLs. You might need to know whether the file is being used > directly, interpreted through a QuickTime component, or through > ImageIO. And so on. In this case all I want to do is get to the frame of the QuickTime movie that FCP is reading. So I need the URL and the footage offset. I am pretty sure I don't care about the rest. If the frame and or the file ended up being something unexpected or something unreadable, we would deal with that as necessary. We could accomplish what we need via XML, but it is not as clean a workflow as an effect directly in FCP would be. Email me directly if you'd like to discuss more. -- Wes Plate Automatic Duck, Inc. http://www.automaticduck.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Can an FXPlug report to me path to source media?
by Paul Schneider 30 Apr '07

30 Apr '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi, Wes, - Paul On Apr 30, 2007, at 12:44 PM, Wes Plate wrote: -- Wes Plate Automatic Duck, Inc. http://www.automaticduck.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… no, unfortunately we don't have a mechanism to give you that information. I can definitely see how that would be useful; please file an enhancement request through ADC! I assume the answer is "No" and that an FXPlug will only return image data, but is it possible I know this is dangerous/complicated because between the clip and the footage file could be a nested sequence, composited clips, other messiness, but aside from that, if an effect was applied to a simple single clip in a timeline, could that effect return the path to the source media as well as the footage offset? _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/pschneider% 40apple.com This email sent to pschneider(a)apple.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Can an FXPlug report to me path to source media?
by Dave Howell 30 Apr '07

30 Apr '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi Wes. Dave On Apr 30, 2007, at 9:44 AM, Wes Plate wrote: _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… No, we don't have anything like that in the FxPlug SDK. I'm curious, if you can say, why this would be useful, though, just in case there's some other cleaner way to accomplish the same thing. It seems to me that you would need a lot more information than just the URL or path, right? You'd need to know how the host app is interpreting the contents of the file (alpha type, in and out points, cropping, frame rate adjustment, or whatever). And of course some clips might consist of multiple paths, as in the case of a sequence of image files, and as you pointed out, others might have not even have URLs. You might need to know whether the file is being used directly, interpreted through a QuickTime component, or through ImageIO. And so on. I assume the answer is "No" and that an FXPlug will only return image data, but is it possible I know this is dangerous/complicated because between the clip and the footage file could be a nested sequence, composited clips, other messiness, but aside from that, if an effect was applied to a simple single clip in a timeline, could that effect return the path to the source media as well as the footage offset? This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Can an FXPlug report to me path to source media?
by Wes Plate 30 Apr '07

30 Apr '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Thread-index: AceLRtkeF2mZ6vc6Edu+2QAWy5GJ9Q== Thread-topic: Can an FXPlug report to me path to source media? User-agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 I assume the answer is "No" and that an FXPlug will only return image data, but is it possible I know this is dangerous/complicated because between the clip and the footage file could be a nested sequence, composited clips, other messiness, but aside from that, if an effect was applied to a simple single clip in a timeline, could that effect return the path to the source media as well as the footage offset? -- Wes Plate Automatic Duck, Inc. http://www.automaticduck.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: camera access in Motion
by Dave Howell 30 Apr '07

30 Apr '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com What would you need in order to do more advanced 3D effects? Dave On Apr 30, 2007, at 12:32 PM, Christoph Vonrhein wrote: Yes. In my opinion this would be a great addition. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… So, here's an open question to plug-in developers, to put this forum vehicle to the test... Of all of these concepts (camera matrix, focal length, lighting positions and properties, layer matrices, etc.), what would be the bare minimum feature set you would need in an API in order to do something interesting with 3D? Clearly you need the 4x4 matrix of the camera. Do you also need the 4x4 matrix of the layer the effect is applied to? Do you need to get the matrices of all the layers in a scene? Do you need to get the matrices for the lights in the scene? With the matrices of all of the layers and the info where the light are, a plugin can create effects around those layers which go along with the camera movement within the 3D-space of Motion. But then it is also very important to get the focal length of Motion's camera. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: FxPlug: Gradient parameter without color information
by Darrin Cardani 30 Apr '07

30 Apr '07

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Re: camera access in Motion
by Darrin Cardani 30 Apr '07

30 Apr '07

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Re: camera access in Motion
by Darrin Cardani 30 Apr '07

30 Apr '07

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Re: FxPlugs UI in FCP and Motion different
by Paul Schneider 30 Apr '07

30 Apr '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi, Peder, Thanks! - Paul On Apr 30, 2007, at 7:46 AM, Peder Norrby wrote: Paul, Seems my comment about laziness was totally uncalled for, not only because Darrin works on Motion, but also you made some major improvements for v6. Thanks for the doc, exactly what I needed! I have a preview UI that I use in some products, it needs to access its own params (and inputs) from other times during UI events, maybe you can add that in the future too? Maybe put a reply-to adress to list so we can just hit reply? Peace, Peder Norrby / Trapcode Hi, Peder, None of what you ask for (groups, enabling / disabling, supervising) works in FCP 5.1.4, but it should all work in the upcoming version 6. Here's a document which will be available with the FxPlug 1.2 SDK which describes what's new with FxPlug in FCP 6, as well as the limitations that we still have. - Paul On Apr 29, 2007, at 6:56 PM, Peder Norrby wrote: _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… no offense taken. We certainly had some limitations in FCP 5, and tried to address the majority of them in 6. Although we probably would have done even better if we had Darrin on our team :) I filed a bug about accessing params during UI events; we should support this, since we let AE plugins do it. The bug # is 5170560; it would be good to have this number for reference if you want to check up on it. I didn't mean to remain anonymous; I just removed my address from the CC line so I wouldn't get this message twice. I would like to keep the list CC'd on most threads, though, since most developers have similar questions, and might be interested in our answers. On 4/30/07, Paul Schneider <pschneider(a)apple.com> wrote: > Hi All, > > I understand FCP does not support paramter groups, right? > But Motion does, right? > And both are FxPlug. > That does not make sense. > When will you fix so FCP supports grouping? :) Darrin, is this you > beeing lazy? :) just kidding, I know you are top notch. I forgot if > you work on Motion or FCP? > > Do you in any way in FCP show grouping hints (like a subject and > thicker border) or do you just skip the grouping as defined in the > FxPlug API? > > Do you support (I'd like to know answers for both FCP and Motion): > Enabling/Disabling of params? (grey out and unusable) > Supervising (setting a param in response to user changing some > other param) > > As you understand this is a request to make the FxPlug implementations > of Motion and FCP to behave the same, and for now, let me know the > differences so I can make good UI's for the users. > > Peace, > Peder Norrby / Trapcode > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/pschneider% > 40apple.com > > This email sent to pschneider(a)apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/pschneider% 40apple.com This email sent to pschneider(a)apple.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: FxPlugs UI in FCP and Motion different
by Peder Norrby 30 Apr '07

30 Apr '07

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