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Re: Tracker zoom window
by Micah Sharp 30 Apr '07

30 Apr '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Sweet! That should do it then. Thanks, Micah On Apr 29, 2007, at 9:24 PM, Paul Schneider wrote: Hi, Micah, Hope that helps, - Paul On Apr 30, 2007, at 12:09 AM, Micah Sharp wrote: Hey guys, sorry I missed out on the FxPlug meeting at NAB. Thanks, Micah Sharp Red Giant Software _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… in FCP 6, you can use the FxTemporalImageAPI to get frames as long as your filter is loaded in the filter viewer (the Filters tab with the controls). So I think this should be possible. In FCP 5, the FxTemporalImageAPI is only available during render. Since your custom UI is just an NSView, you can cause it to redraw in the usual way: by sending the view a [setNeedsDisplay: YES] message. You'll be asked to re-render when the current time changes, as long as your effect is applied at the new time; you could send your custom UI a redraw message from your render method. Hopefully this will be enough to implement some good feedback. If you are triggering a redraw from your render method, you could probably use the input image passed to your render method rather than using the FxTemporalImageAPI (or the output image if you are a generator). You might need to make a copy, since the images aren't guaranteed to be valid after you render. On one of my trips to the Motion and FCP pods I did notice something interesting. I believe it was the Tracker generator in Motion that had a small window in the effect parameter window that zoomed in on an area where a tracker point was being placed. At least I think it was something like this. Is there any way we can implement this kind of UI in our FxPlugs? Doing a zoom of a snap shot as Custom Ui should be straightforward I think, but I believe the little window got updated whenever the playhead moved as well, so I'm not sure how that works. That was kind of neat and would be a cool parameter to have. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/pschneider% 40apple.com This email sent to pschneider(a)apple.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Tracker zoom window
by Paul Schneider 30 Apr '07

30 Apr '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi, Micah, Hope that helps, - Paul On Apr 30, 2007, at 12:09 AM, Micah Sharp wrote: Hey guys, sorry I missed out on the FxPlug meeting at NAB. Thanks, Micah Sharp Red Giant Software _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… in FCP 6, you can use the FxTemporalImageAPI to get frames as long as your filter is loaded in the filter viewer (the Filters tab with the controls). So I think this should be possible. In FCP 5, the FxTemporalImageAPI is only available during render. Since your custom UI is just an NSView, you can cause it to redraw in the usual way: by sending the view a [setNeedsDisplay: YES] message. You'll be asked to re-render when the current time changes, as long as your effect is applied at the new time; you could send your custom UI a redraw message from your render method. Hopefully this will be enough to implement some good feedback. If you are triggering a redraw from your render method, you could probably use the input image passed to your render method rather than using the FxTemporalImageAPI (or the output image if you are a generator). You might need to make a copy, since the images aren't guaranteed to be valid after you render. On one of my trips to the Motion and FCP pods I did notice something interesting. I believe it was the Tracker generator in Motion that had a small window in the effect parameter window that zoomed in on an area where a tracker point was being placed. At least I think it was something like this. Is there any way we can implement this kind of UI in our FxPlugs? Doing a zoom of a snap shot as Custom Ui should be straightforward I think, but I believe the little window got updated whenever the playhead moved as well, so I'm not sure how that works. That was kind of neat and would be a cool parameter to have. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/pschneider% 40apple.com This email sent to pschneider(a)apple.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Tracker zoom window
by Micah Sharp 30 Apr '07

30 Apr '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hey guys, sorry I missed out on the FxPlug meeting at NAB. Thanks, Micah Sharp Red Giant Software _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… On one of my trips to the Motion and FCP pods I did notice something interesting. I believe it was the Tracker generator in Motion that had a small window in the effect parameter window that zoomed in on an area where a tracker point was being placed. At least I think it was something like this. Is there any way we can implement this kind of UI in our FxPlugs? Doing a zoom of a snap shot as Custom Ui should be straightforward I think, but I believe the little window got updated whenever the playhead moved as well, so I'm not sure how that works. That was kind of neat and would be a cool parameter to have. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: FxPlugs UI in FCP and Motion different
by Paul Schneider 30 Apr '07

30 Apr '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi, Peder, - Paul On Apr 29, 2007, at 6:56 PM, Peder Norrby wrote: Hi All, I understand FCP does not support paramter groups, right? But Motion does, right? And both are FxPlug. That does not make sense. When will you fix so FCP supports grouping? :) Darrin, is this you beeing lazy? :) just kidding, I know you are top notch. I forgot if you work on Motion or FCP? Do you in any way in FCP show grouping hints (like a subject and thicker border) or do you just skip the grouping as defined in the FxPlug API? As you understand this is a request to make the FxPlug implementations of Motion and FCP to behave the same, and for now, let me know the differences so I can make good UI's for the users. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com None of what you ask for (groups, enabling / disabling, supervising) works in FCP 5.1.4, but it should all work in the upcoming version 6. Here's a document which will be available with the FxPlug 1.2 SDK which describes what's new with FxPlug in FCP 6, as well as the limitations that we still have. FxPlugNewInFCP6.pdf Do you support (I'd like to know answers for both FCP and Motion): Enabling/Disabling of params? (grey out and unusable) Supervising (setting a param in response to user changing some other param) Peace, Peder Norrby / Trapcode _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/pschneider% 40apple.com This email sent to pschneider(a)apple.com

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Re: FxPlug: Gradient parameter without color information
by Paul Schneider 30 Apr '07

30 Apr '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi, Christoph, - Paul On Apr 28, 2007, at 12:19 AM, Christoph Vonrhein wrote: Hi, -Christoph On Apr 27, 2007, at 3:19 PM, Paul Schneider wrote: (Brian's message didn't actually go to Christoph, just Apple people). On Apr 27, 2007, at 5:51 PM, Brian Walsh wrote: Hi Christoph, -Brian On Apr 27, 2007, at 2:23 PM, Dave Howell wrote: Hi Christoph. I must have missed that conversation. Anybody else? Dave On Apr 27, 2007, at 4:57 PM, Christoph Vonrhein wrote: Hi Dave, hi Paul, warmest regards Christoph BTW: Vegas was a blast!! Thanks for the great time! _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… I think you must have misunderstood me - I'm not aware of any hidden feature that would give you this behavior. I think it's something we would have to add to the API. when I create a gradient parameter I always get a full color parameter with RGBA controls in both Motion and FCP. A one-channel (Alpha-Only or grayscale) gradient parameter would be absolutely perfect for my current project, which I've shown to you. Is there a chance to create that without using custom parameters ? You said that there might be a possible "hidden feature" ? >From what I can tell, the gradient control in both Motion and FCP supports only showing you the alpha controls, or only showing you the RGB controls. We just don't expose this in the FxPlug API. I remember talking with you about it. Basically you want a one- channel gradient parameter. we have spoken in Vegas at the plugin meeting about a gradient parameter which only consists of the Alpha channel without the color information, like the one you have in your Particle Emitter's parameter "Color Over Life". Is there a (currently maybe undocumented) way to create such a color gradient parameter without the need create a custom parameter ? _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/dhowell% 40apple.com This email sent to dhowell(a)apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/bwalsh% 40apple.com This email sent to bwalsh(a)apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/pschneider% 40apple.com This email sent to pschneider(a)apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/chv%40chv- electronics.de This email sent to chv(a)chv-electronics.de This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: FxPlugs UI in FCP and Motion different
by Dave Howell 29 Apr '07

29 Apr '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com On Apr 29, 2007, at 4:39 PM, Peder Norrby wrote: Cool. In FCP 6, do you show the name of the group? Yes. Cheers! Dave _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… Is it shipping yet? if not, when? Not yet. The Apple store says "Ships in May." I'm not sure if we've announced anything more specific than that. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: FxPlugs UI in FCP and Motion different
by Peder Norrby 29 Apr '07

29 Apr '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UQI0yS/5fhE+PkNmil0FULUqYSDtxW/vxegKJG7n9Y5iJ5Lh6VCBtuUCpl9zdu4erMhYgfhmz/NT+7OHsgPIdFPv+oQdlimtXx+TVvYe7S2ZknzVHYSTRTvAqOvfCDOCLGmNkaq+JX41/L6gd9n4+sXFeDW/IB6yyL00DuEwQtw= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=iIDOxjhIprX0pTCwmZgUAPVLQV7FVMB4pq6Yd+ydVnRzMqXGBruCb3dYCSH9FVoNqeJq45CdZazu32BLPoaZxEPs+X0+n5H1L5OgmARnjGNBAUZ1AiXVbXvJNadF7O4fNAD48jwjXoEAQ2ao9SWyBSfUEoogkVLx0bOUViM0ASU= Cool. In FCP 6, do you show the name of the group? Is it shipping yet? if not, when? Peace, Peder Norrby / Trapcode _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: FxPlugs UI in FCP and Motion different
by Paul Miller 29 Apr '07

29 Apr '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) I just heard about it. Awesome! (very happy with the FCP6 enhancements BTW). PS - see my bug report! :-) -- Paul Miller | paul(a)fxtech.com | www.fxtech.com | Got Tivo? _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… Dave Howell wrote: Supervising (setting a param in response to user changing some other param) Yes in both. There were some restrictions here in earlier versions. Details can be found in the FxHostCapabilities.h header. Note - I found the case where a control could not be changed in response to its own change. Ie you fiddle with a popup control and your update code sets it to a different state. Easily worked around with custom NSViews, but this "works" in AE. As you understand this is a request to make the FxPlug implementations of Motion and FCP to behave the same, and for now, let me know the differences so I can make good UI's for the users. And thanks for using the public list! This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: FxPlugs UI in FCP and Motion different
by Dave Howell 29 Apr '07

29 Apr '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi Peder, On Apr 29, 2007, at 3:56 PM, Peder Norrby wrote: I understand FCP does not support paramter groups, right? But Motion does, right? Fair enough. :-) Darrin's on the Motion team, so he's off the hook there. :-) Yes, as of FCP 6. Do you support (I'd like to know answers for both FCP and Motion): Enabling/Disabling of params? (grey out and unusable) Yes in both. And thanks for using the public list! Dave _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… Right. FCP shows the grouped parameters visually, but does not allow opening and closing with a disclosure control. And both are FxPlug. That does not make sense. When will you fix so FCP supports grouping? :) I suppose you could hack something together that would implement the Group titles as a custom-UI control, and in response to clicking on it, you could hide or unhide the grouped parameters. But that would be a hack, and it would become unnecessary some day when FCP finally supports opening and closing groups. So I wouldn't recommend it. Darrin, is this you being lazy? :) just kidding, I know you are top notch. I forgot if you work on Motion or FCP? Do you in any way in FCP show grouping hints (like a subject and thicker border) or do you just skip the grouping as defined in the FxPlug API? Supervising (setting a param in response to user changing some other param) Yes in both. There were some restrictions here in earlier versions. Details can be found in the FxHostCapabilities.h header. As you understand this is a request to make the FxPlug implementations of Motion and FCP to behave the same, and for now, let me know the differences so I can make good UI's for the users. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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FxPlugs UI in FCP and Motion different
by Peder Norrby 29 Apr '07

29 Apr '07

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