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Re: Part 2: Bug with FxParameterRetrievalAPI in Motion
by Peter Litwinowicz 25 Jul '07

25 Jul '07

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Re: Part 2: Bug with FxParameterRetrievalAPI in Motion
by Emile Tobenfeld 24 Jul '07

24 Jul '07

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Re: Part 2: Bug with FxParameterRetrievalAPI in Motion
by Pete Warden 24 Jul '07

24 Jul '07

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Re: FCP FxPlug (software) - rendering in 10-bit YUV?
by Paul Schneider 24 Jul '07

24 Jul '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Yes, that's correct. - Paul On Jul 24, 2007, at 12:29 PM, Peter Litwinowicz wrote: Pete _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… Also, it's been my experience that even with 10 bit images you can be presented with 8 bit RGB. The difference seems to come into play between rendering (floating point) and clicking around the timeline (8 bit), In the RT display path, display to the canvas and video out is always 8-bit. Rendering (Cmd-R) happens in float for high-precision sequences. In the legacy, NRT display path, display to the canvas is always 8- bit. Video out will be rendered in float for high-precision sequences, if you have a 10-bit video out device. Rendering (Cmd-R) happens in float for high-precision sequences. This should be covered in the "FCP Rendering Paths" document that comes with the FxPlug SDK; if the information is missing or unclear, please file a bug and I'll fix it! Paul Miller wrote: What does FCP 6 do while rendering in 10-bit YUV? Is it promoting everything to float for the FxPlug software pipeline, or something else? Nevermind, I found an old message from this list that mentions that in fact it does. What do other people do in this case? I have some filters that don't yet handle full float. Is it better to not support float at all (ie. 10 bit YUV) or clip? That's a marketing decision, but if you are only supporting 8 bit, then technically you'll need to at least convert the floating point to 8 bit and then process and convert back (which I presume you were going to do). I don't think returning a black frame when presented with a floating point (10 bit YUV) image will make your users happy. Of course, when they get different bit depths out than what they put in, that will make them unhappy too (and users DO notice, trust me... We get lots of emails about our AE plugins which can only support 8 bit within FCP). Also, it's been my experience that even with 10 bit images you can be presented with 8 bit RGB. The difference seems to come into play between rendering (floating point) and clicking around the timeline (8 bit), but perhaps I am wrong on this. Paul Schneider, can you elaborate? Am I insane on this point? _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/pschneider% 40apple.com This email sent to pschneider(a)apple.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: FCP FxPlug (software) - rendering in 10-bit YUV?
by Peter Litwinowicz 24 Jul '07

24 Jul '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Thread-index: AcfOKOidJ3Q4cDocEdy5tAAKlbriPA== Thread-topic: FCP FxPlug (software) - rendering in 10-bit YUV? User-agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.3.061214 > Paul Miller wrote: >> What does FCP 6 do while rendering in 10-bit YUV? Is it promoting >> everything to float for the FxPlug software pipeline, or something else? > > Nevermind, I found an old message from this list that mentions that in > fact it does. > > What do other people do in this case? I have some filters that don't yet > handle full float. Is it better to not support float at all (ie. 10 bit > YUV) or clip? That's a marketing decision, but if you are only supporting 8 bit, then technically you'll need to at least convert the floating point to 8 bit and then process and convert back (which I presume you were going to do). I don't think returning a black frame when presented with a floating point (10 bit YUV) image will make your users happy. Of course, when they get different bit depths out than what they put in, that will make them unhappy too (and users DO notice, trust me... We get lots of emails about our AE plugins which can only support 8 bit within FCP). Also, it's been my experience that even with 10 bit images you can be presented with 8 bit RGB. The difference seems to come into play between rendering (floating point) and clicking around the timeline (8 bit), but perhaps I am wrong on this. Paul Schneider, can you elaborate? Am I insane on this point? Pete _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: FCP FxPlug (software) - rendering in 10-bit YUV?
by Paul Miller 24 Jul '07

24 Jul '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (Windows/20070716) -- Paul Miller | paul(a)fxtech.com | www.fxtech.com | Got Tivo? _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… Paul Miller wrote: What does FCP 6 do while rendering in 10-bit YUV? Is it promoting everything to float for the FxPlug software pipeline, or something else? Nevermind, I found an old message from this list that mentions that in fact it does. What do other people do in this case? I have some filters that don't yet handle full float. Is it better to not support float at all (ie. 10 bit YUV) or clip? This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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FCP FxPlug (software) - rendering in 10-bit YUV?
by Paul Miller 24 Jul '07

24 Jul '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (Windows/20070716) -- Paul Miller | paul(a)fxtech.com | www.fxtech.com | Got Tivo? _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… What does FCP 6 do while rendering in 10-bit YUV? Is it promoting everything to float for the FxPlug software pipeline, or something else? This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Part 2: Bug with FxParameterRetrievalAPI in Motion
by Darrin Cardani 23 Jul '07

23 Jul '07

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Part 2: Bug with FxParameterRetrievalAPI in Motion
by Peter Litwinowicz 23 Jul '07

23 Jul '07

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Re: Bug with FxParameterRetrievalAPI in Motion
by Peter Litwinowicz 23 Jul '07

23 Jul '07

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