January 2009 - Pro-apps-dev

Re: adding to a bin?
by Rolf Howarth 29 Jan '09

29 Jan '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com -Rolf There is a bug. Let me run the expected behavior by you. Thanks, Helena On Jan 29, 2009, at 10:07 AM, Rolf Howarth wrote: -Rolf -- Rolf Howarth Square Box Systems Ltd Stratford-upon-Avon, UK. http://www.squarebox.co.uk _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/hju%40apple.com -- Rolf Howarth Square Box Systems Ltd Stratford-upon-Avon, UK. http://www.squarebox.co.uk _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… That sounds about right. Right now if I specify addIfNotFound it will create the bin and add the clips, unless the bin already exists in which case it does nothing. Using replaceOrAdd for cases where you want to replace the existing bin sounds ok too. If you're proposing to change the behaviour of the addIfNotFound option so it works as described (adds in the new clips without removing the old) could I request you make "addIfNotFound" the default behaviour for bins instead of "add"? That way, an app can simply omit the updatebehavior flag and get the optimal results whichever version of Final Cut it's being used with. If an old version of FCP opens the XML it will default to "add" and create multiple bins with the same name, which doesn't look very nice but at least all the clips come in, but if a new version loads it it will merge the bin contents. At 10:21 -0800 29/1/09, Helena Ju wrote: I believe one should be able to say <bin> <updatebehavior>addIfNotFound</updatebehavior> <UUID>uuid_of_existing_bin_not_a_string</UUID> <children> <!-all the new children> </children> </bin> And then you'd only get the children added and none of the existing ones removed. (unless they were specified with <updatebehavior>remove</updatebehavior> of course) Is that about right? And if someone wanted to specify only the bin and all its contents they could always use <updatebehavior>replaceOrAdd</updatebehavior> right? I think was mentioned last year in a thread by Martin Baker ("Targeting a bin with XML") but is there any way yet to add new clips to an existing bin? This seems like a definite bug to me. The default behaviour for bins should be to add the bin (and the clips within it) if the bin doesn't already exist, but if the bin is there it should add the new clips to the existing bin (ie. merge the bin contents). This email sent to hju(a)apple.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: adding to a bin?
by Helena Ju 29 Jan '09

29 Jan '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com There is a bug. Let me run the expected behavior by you. Thanks, Helena On Jan 29, 2009, at 10:07 AM, Rolf Howarth wrote: -Rolf -- Rolf Howarth Square Box Systems Ltd Stratford-upon-Avon, UK. http://www.squarebox.co.uk _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/hju%40apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… I believe one should be able to say <bin> <updatebehavior>addIfNotFound</updatebehavior> <UUID>uuid_of_existing_bin_not_a_string</UUID> <children> <!-all the new children> </children> </bin> And then you'd only get the children added and none of the existing ones removed. (unless they were specified with <updatebehavior>remove</ updatebehavior> of course) Is that about right? And if someone wanted to specify only the bin and all its contents they could always use <updatebehavior>replaceOrAdd</ updatebehavior> right? I think was mentioned last year in a thread by Martin Baker ("Targeting a bin with XML") but is there any way yet to add new clips to an existing bin? This seems like a definite bug to me. The default behaviour for bins should be to add the bin (and the clips within it) if the bin doesn't already exist, but if the bin is there it should add the new clips to the existing bin (ie. merge the bin contents). This email sent to hju(a)apple.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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adding to a bin?
by Rolf Howarth 29 Jan '09

29 Jan '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com -Rolf -- Rolf Howarth Square Box Systems Ltd Stratford-upon-Avon, UK. http://www.squarebox.co.uk _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… I think was mentioned last year in a thread by Martin Baker ("Targeting a bin with XML") but is there any way yet to add new clips to an existing bin? This seems like a definite bug to me. The default behaviour for bins should be to add the bin (and the clips within it) if the bin doesn't already exist, but if the bin is there it should add the new clips to the existing bin (ie. merge the bin contents). This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Final Cut Pro Prefrences
by Monther 27 Jan '09

27 Jan '09

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Re: Final Cut Pro Prefrences
by Rainer Standke 27 Jan '09

27 Jan '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Rainer On Jan 27, 2009, at 0:14 , Piers Goodhew wrote: PG On 27/01/2009, at 7:59 AM, Suciu, Andrew wrote: Any ideas? Andrew asuciu(a)ringsidecreative.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/piers%40u-h-p.com This email sent to lists(a)standke.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… You might want to take a look at http://www.EditGroove.com/, where you'll find an app called Usermatic. It swaps out settings, may be more than you are asking for, but you might be able to use it in a workflow that addresses your needs. This has been the holy grail of FCP since pretty much version one. We have to assume that for a really good reason it is not possible to make FCP work that way. There are two workarounds: 1 - (as mentioned) have separate user accounts for separate projects 2 - just stop fighting and learn to love the way FCP works - it does keep separate project's data in separate folders - only four of them. Like most things Apple, #2 is much less painful in the long term (you just need a sufficiently huge media drive (pool)) Hello, I'm looking for a way to set global settings based on project settings. For example. When Project A is launched, I would like the Capture Scratch folder to be changed to 'Capture Scratch A', then another editor sits down and opens Project B, which I need to have set to 'Capture Scratch B'. There is a preference file called "Final Cut Pro 6.0 Prefs.fcset". Tried editing is values in HEX, and no luck. Considering building an app, sort of a launcher type app that allows you to choose a project, and changes the Capture Scratch accordingly. This email sent to piers(a)u-h-p.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/lists %40standke.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Final Cut Pro Prefrences
by Piers Goodhew 26 Jan '09

26 Jan '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com PG On 27/01/2009, at 7:59 AM, Suciu, Andrew wrote: Any ideas? Andrew asuciu(a)ringsidecreative.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/piers%40u-h-p.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… This has been the holy grail of FCP since pretty much version one. We have to assume that for a really good reason it is not possible to make FCP work that way. There are two workarounds: 1 - (as mentioned) have separate user accounts for separate projects 2 - just stop fighting and learn to love the way FCP works - it does keep separate project's data in separate folders - only four of them. Like most things Apple, #2 is much less painful in the long term (you just need a sufficiently huge media drive (pool)) Hello, I'm looking for a way to set global settings based on project settings. For example. When Project A is launched, I would like the Capture Scratch folder to be changed to 'Capture Scratch A', then another editor sits down and opens Project B, which I need to have set to 'Capture Scratch B'. There is a preference file called "Final Cut Pro 6.0 Prefs.fcset". Tried editing is values in HEX, and no luck. Considering building an app, sort of a launcher type app that allows you to choose a project, and changes the Capture Scratch accordingly. This email sent to piers(a)u-h-p.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Final Cut Pro Prefrences
by Patrick Sheffield 26 Jan '09

26 Jan '09

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Re: Final Cut Pro Prefrences
by Ky Hopwood 26 Jan '09

26 Jan '09

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Final Cut Pro Prefrences
by Suciu, Andrew 26 Jan '09

26 Jan '09

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Re: [Q] Interacting with FCP?
by Helena Ju 24 Jan '09

24 Jan '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi JongAm, Best Luck in your endevors, Helena On Jan 23, 2009, at 4:10 PM, JongAm Park wrote: Hello, Helena, Thank you very much. JongAm Park And another note from the same engineer: Cheers, Helena On Jan 19, 2009, at 10:53 AM, Helena Ju wrote: Hi JongAm, Best Luck, Helena Hello, Charlie. Thank you very much, and my question is still open. :) JongAm Hello JongAm, Happy hunting Charles -- Charles Meyer Apple, Inc. Product Marketing Manager - Motion Graphics On Jan 16, 2009, at 11:05 AM, JongAm Park wrote: Hello. Is it possible? Thank you. JongAm _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… I think the Login support email thread might be a good place to get your questions answered since that's where that documentation came from. As I noted, we (final cut) discourage the use of the control surface 'hook' for anything but control surfaces, so I can't give you an pointers. I read the Logic Pro Control Surfaces Support document, especially the Appendices B & C. It explains what information is supposed to be sent & received. However, it doesn't explain how to make a "control surface" plugin, and how to get information on "where in a clip is being played" in time value, and so on. I guess it would be a CFPlugin. Once I thought if I/O kit driver should be written, but after reading some document, I started thinking that it would be CFPlugin. But anyway, I still didn't get idea how to interface them. Through which channel do they send/receive information? It will not be pipe. Some CoreAudio routine? It sounds like that I'm totally lost. Can you tell me more about them? Does Apple provide some sample codes? ( I didn't find one yet. ) Helena Ju wrote: Oh, and if you are intent on posing as a control surface, the documentation for Apple's Logic Pro (version 7) has the documentation for the Logic Control embedded in it, and the Logic Control only differs from the Mackie Control in some handshaking it does and the device ID it presents; see Appendices B and C (pp. 239-254) of the following "Logic Pro Control Surfaces Support" document from Apple's public website: <http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/Logic_Pro_Control_Surfaces_Support.pdf > But of course we would discourage the use of the control surface "hook" for anything but control surfaces... Still, since there really isn't another way... :-) I've spoken to the engineer who implemented the IMI stuff and here's what he says: We don't support MIDI, other than as a transport for the Mackie Control support. So the only way to remotely control (or get feedback from) our app via MIDI is by posing as a control surface. We do not (unfortunately) offer any form of generic MIDI control support. *From: *JongAm Park <joshua_park2006-applelist(a)yahoo.com <mailto:joshua_park2006-applelist@yahoo.com >> *Date: *January 16, 2009 1:22:35 PM PST *To: *Charles Meyer <cmeyer(a)apple.com <mailto:cmeyer@apple.com>> *Cc: *pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com <mailto:pro-apps-dev@lists.apple.com > *Subject: **Re: [Q] Interacting with FCP?* I'm aware of other things except for the midi and the mackie control protocol option. Actually, the control surface is related to midi device driver as far as I understand it. So, I thought there could be an option with midi manipulation. However, I couldn't find any document from Apple's web site about the midi and the surface control. However, you provided me two good search terms, so I will search further with those. Charles Meyer wrote: I am not a developer so I will let people that know what they are talking about shed the details but the kind of questions you have could find at least partial answers using one or more of these technologies we support in relation to FCP. XML - This lets you see or define pretty much all of the setting found in a saved sequence or a clip. Applescript/Apple Event - You can trigger a XML dump from FCP regarding the current sequence in FCP or trigger a push of XML information into FCP from AppleEvents triggered by your Application or an AppleScript. Midi - The timecode playing from the FCP sequence can play out to Midi, some other developers have captured the Midi loop internally for use in their apps. Mackie Control Protocol - Control Surface vendors other than Mackie have used that protocol to interact with FCP. I do not know if there are licensing or other usage restrictions or if there are some software capabilities of interactions if these have to interface externally to the system but it might be worth researching. At least part of the XML capabilites should be documented on developer.apple.com I am trying to figure out how to make my program interact with the FCP. What I want to do is to get time position of a video clip being played currently. If it is possible to communicated in both ways, i.e. from my app to FCP and FCP to my app, it would be better. It would be also great if it can grab some clip information like playing speed, and so on, to sync displaying of some data with the FCP. Also, I found out that external controllers, so called control surfaces, could interact with the FCP. Then is it two-way? And is there any document for buiding surface controller plugin for the FCP? Because it is communication between apps not h/w<->FCP, I think control surface plugin or driver should use my program a kind of virtual device. So, probably using this kind of psudo-control surface can bridge my app to the FCP. Is there some sample code for this purpose? I'm sorry to ask lots of questions, but I would greatly appreciate if I can find answer here. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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