February 2010 - Pro-apps-dev

Re: Audio NTSC flag in Final Cut Pro
by Rainer Standke 10 Feb '10

10 Feb '10

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi all, Rainer On Feb 10, 2010, at 10:54 , Helena Ju wrote: Hi Bruce, Tony, Regards, Helena On 2010-02-10, at 10:38 AM, Bruce Sharpe wrote: Helena, Kelly: can you clarify this point? Bruce On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Tony Huet <fcp(a)digitrain.com> wrote: On Feb 10, 2010, at 11:40 AM, Helena Ju wrote: Tony Huet _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/bruce.sharpe%40gmail.com This email sent to bruce.sharpe(a)gmail.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/hju%40apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… I think something that FCP could help with in this confusing matter is more clarity. It is very mis-leading that the *sequence* settings are used for the way that *media* is imported, and then there seem to be exceptions even to that! And, one of the major selling points of FCP is that you can mix and match everything, regardless of frame rates etc. It strikes me that a separate setting for audio-only NTSC-ness that applies regardless of previous history is the best option to de- confuse users. You're both kinda right, but Bruce's instruction is the most foolproof. What you find from using the app will be true regardless of my descriptions as to what's going on inside, because these are always over simplifications. ;) If the media file wasn't already in any open project during this session, importing it will use the current setting. Whatever the current easy-setup sequence setting is should be the one that is used. BUT, if a piece of media has been previously imported/used in a project that has been open since launch of the application, closing the project or deleting all the uses of it isn't sufficient to clear out the cached file information for it due to undo and some other residual usages. If the number of undo steps we store (user preference) is 0, then that may work. Otherwise, you may run into it's previous settings and complications therefrom. The easiest/most straightforward instruction is a bit overkill, but the detailed description of what exactly to do in all cases are long winded and complicated. Ah, I missed this. According to my experimentation, it is not the *current* easy-setup default sequence preset rate that gets used. If the user has changed their easy setup during an FCP session, the rate in effect at session start is used. That start-up rate seems quite persistent and the only reliable way I have found to ensure that the right thing happens is to re-start FCP. > At media import time, FCP converts everything's duration into a number of video frames, using the current easy-setup default sequence preset rate. In my experience, this is what exactly what happens. So Bruce's advice is really more onerous than required. Just delete the audio clips, chose the correct Easy Setup, and re-import. The audio should now be set correctly. No need to quit FCP and restart, etc. Bruce - try the above and see if it works for you. If so, please let us know. You might then update your instructions so the solution is a bit simpler and faster. If it does not work, please report that as well. We have a Canon 5D and record separate audio like many others. It's funny that in 2010 we're revisiting many of the same audio/video issues that have plagued movie-making since it's inception. This email sent to hju(a)apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/lists %40standke.com This email sent to lists(a)standke.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Audio NTSC flag in Final Cut Pro
by Helena Ju 10 Feb '10

10 Feb '10

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Re: Audio NTSC flag in Final Cut Pro
by Bruce Sharpe 10 Feb '10

10 Feb '10

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Re: Audio NTSC flag in Final Cut Pro
by Bruce Sharpe 10 Feb '10

10 Feb '10

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Re: Audio NTSC flag in Final Cut Pro
by Darrin Cardani 10 Feb '10

10 Feb '10

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com On Feb 10, 2010, at 9:54 AM, Tony Huet wrote: <http://bugreporter.apple.com/> Darrin -- Darrin Cardani dcardani(a)apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… It's funny that in 2010 we're revisiting many of the same audio/ video issues that have plagued movie-making since it's inception. I concur, but we have to support a lot of different formats, hardware, and odd engineering decisions that our industry made over the last century. Making all the options accessible to users is a challenge, and if you have suggestions for making it easier/better, please let us know by filing enhancement requests or bug reports: I cannot tell you how elated I would be to never have to deal with, for example, non-square pixels ever again. But alas, I do still have to deal with them. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Audio NTSC flag in Final Cut Pro
by Tony Huet 10 Feb '10

10 Feb '10

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com On Feb 10, 2010, at 11:40 AM, Helena Ju wrote: > At media import time, FCP converts everything's duration into a number of video frames, using the current easy-setup default sequence preset rate. In my experience, this is what exactly what happens. So Bruce's advice is really more onerous than required. Just delete the audio clips, chose the correct Easy Setup, and re-import. The audio should now be set correctly. No need to quit FCP and restart, etc. Bruce - try the above and see if it works for you. If so, please let us know. You might then update your instructions so the solution is a bit simpler and faster. If it does not work, please report that as well. We have a Canon 5D and record separate audio like many others. It's funny that in 2010 we're revisiting many of the same audio/video issues that have plagued movie-making since it's inception. Tony Huet _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Audio NTSC flag in Final Cut Pro
by Helena Ju 10 Feb '10

10 Feb '10

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Audio NTSC flag in Final Cut Pro
by Bruce Sharpe 09 Feb '10

09 Feb '10

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