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Re: Testing empty image wells
by Paul Schneider 15 Aug '11

15 Aug '11

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Re: Guidelines for developing a new filesystem for FCP-X
by Darrin Cardani 13 Aug '11

13 Aug '11

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Re: Providing a font menu
by Alex Gollner 13 Aug '11

13 Aug '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Thread-index: AcxZUhMgQG80S14m7EiklSC2Hm5D4Q== Thread-topic: Providing a font menu User-agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.24.0.100205 On 12/08/2011 10:06 pm, the Pro-Apps-Dev list sent a message to me that included: > Thanks for the suggestions Darrin but I don't think the user experience would > be good enough. Users who are familiar with the font menus on title templates > would expect the font menu of a text generator to work in the same way. > > Given the sensitivity about ugly UI design, it seems ironic that we would have > to resort to non-standard workarounds to create a font menu in FCPX. It's > frustrating that what we could do with FxScript isn't possible with FxPlug 2. > I never imagined for a moment, that would be the case. > > Off to file that feature request now! > Perhaps the Motion team could create (in their copious free time) a special FxPlug-based generator that can display a current font menu that can be published to Final Cut Pro X. In turn in has some fields that can be linked by parameter behaviours to other values in a Motion project - including an instance of a developer plug-in. The generator itself doesn't need to display anything in Motion or FCPX. The font menu could set values in the fields, and the fields could even set the selected font in the font menu. Would this be useful in this case? Alex ............................................................................ Screenwriter, Zone 2-North West, London alex4d on twitter, facebook, .wordpress.com & .com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Providing a font menu
by Martin Baker 12 Aug '11

12 Aug '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=C80LGEqIgE7ms4y3FLBWEyJ9nqwyNC0mi31NWlozADs=; b=AhZsE8vcoBMtIwLOMA4z6Tvu9IV38+IsaKXNbcisPOLwDF9PKIRlzEPBEMbuBZiQrF G+fri3ZsNV+KwkEM4ay03GSxz+FFV2kVlieFRnbLnsjKeficA37qRiW2JIz4icfg9AIY dMFI1/grWa4wt3p4GuM3qeb0UVUp1DnGUHa+g= Thanks for the suggestions Darrin but I don't think the user experience would be good enough. Users who are familiar with the font menus on title templates would expect the font menu of a text generator to work in the same way. Given the sensitivity about ugly UI design, it seems ironic that we would have to resort to non-standard workarounds to create a font menu in FCPX. It's frustrating that what we could do with FxScript isn't possible with FxPlug 2. I never imagined for a moment, that would be the case. Off to file that feature request now! Martin Baker www.digital-heaven.co.uk www.twitter.com/digitalheaven www.videospaceonline.com www.finalcutters.com ------------------------------------------------------ Digital Heaven Ltd is registered in England and Wales Company registration number: 3628396 Registered address: 55 Lynwood Drive, Worcester Park, Surrey KT4 7AE VAT registration number: GB 736 0989 03 On 12 Aug 2011, at 17:56, Darrin Cardani wrote: > > On Aug 10, 2011, at 3:37 PM, Martin Baker wrote: > >> From what I've read in past posts, it seems this is not possible but I want to make sure I haven't missed something. >> >> - If our FxPlug needed to present a font menu to the user then we should do it using a customUI control. This is because the parameter ID cannot guaranteed to be the same in the situation that a project is moved between systems or a new font has been installed. So we would be using NSCoding to create a unique id to a particular font. >> - CustomUI parameters cannot be published from Motion to FCPX. >> - So we can't write an FxPlug that needs a font menu and have it work in FCPX. > > I wouldn't put it quite like that. You can't have a custom UI font menu published from Motion to FCPX, that much is true. However, you do have some options. Probably the easiest is to implement a simple OSC that doesn't draw anything but allows the user to press a key combo to bring up the system "Fonts" panel. It's not as discoverable as other methods, though. You could also have a fixed-list of fonts you know will be on all systems. That's limiting and kind of lame, though. You could have an OSC button that when clicked displays the system "Fonts" panel, or use some other regular UI control in an odd way to do it. I agree none of these are ideal, but they are at least workable. > > Darrin > -- > Darrin Cardani > dcardani(a)apple.com > > _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Image well names, order of published drop zones
by Peter Litwinowicz 12 Aug '11

12 Aug '11

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Re: Testing empty image wells
by Peter Litwinowicz 12 Aug '11

12 Aug '11

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Re: Motion Effects projects slow to load/save
by Patrick Sheffield 12 Aug '11

12 Aug '11

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Re: Testing empty image wells
by Peter Litwinowicz 12 Aug '11

12 Aug '11

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Re: Providing a font menu
by Darrin Cardani 12 Aug '11

12 Aug '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com On Aug 10, 2011, at 3:37 PM, Martin Baker wrote: > From what I've read in past posts, it seems this is not possible but I want to make sure I haven't missed something. > > - If our FxPlug needed to present a font menu to the user then we should do it using a customUI control. This is because the parameter ID cannot guaranteed to be the same in the situation that a project is moved between systems or a new font has been installed. So we would be using NSCoding to create a unique id to a particular font. > - CustomUI parameters cannot be published from Motion to FCPX. > - So we can't write an FxPlug that needs a font menu and have it work in FCPX. I wouldn't put it quite like that. You can't have a custom UI font menu published from Motion to FCPX, that much is true. However, you do have some options. Probably the easiest is to implement a simple OSC that doesn't draw anything but allows the user to press a key combo to bring up the system "Fonts" panel. It's not as discoverable as other methods, though. You could also have a fixed-list of fonts you know will be on all systems. That's limiting and kind of lame, though. You could have an OSC button that when clicked displays the system "Fonts" panel, or use some other regular UI control in an odd way to do it. I agree none of these are ideal, but they are at least workable. Darrin -- Darrin Cardani dcardani(a)apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Motion Effects projects slow to load/save
by Darrin Cardani 12 Aug '11

12 Aug '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com On Aug 9, 2011, at 7:17 AM, Nathan Weston wrote: > In order to work around some of the time-remapping problems, we're setting up markers in the project to create a loop. This seems to short-circuit the time remapping and we get 1-1 frame numbers. To prevent the user from seeing a pop where the loop repeats, we're making the projects very long -- 10 hours, which is hopefully longer than any clip the user will apply it to in FCP X. > > Unfortunately, when we do this our projects take ages to load or save -- 10 minutes or more in some cases. The time seems to be proportional to the duration of the project, and the render speed of our effects. > > During this time, Motion is using 100% CPU, and when I look at stack traces from the performance monitor app, it seems to be rendering. Is it trying to render out the whole project or what? It may be. Is the "Save Preview Movie" checkbox checked? If so, then it's rendering a preview movie. Darrin -- Darrin Cardani dcardani(a)apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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