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Re: Universal binaries and X11
by André-John Mas 03 Mar '06

03 Mar '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com On 3-Mar-06, at 12:08 , Graham J Lee wrote: On 3 Mar 2006, at 16:57, André-John Mas wrote: Hi, Thanks for proving my information wrong :) leeg@blatand:~>file `which cp` /bin/cp: Mach-O universal binary with 2 architectures /bin/cp (for architecture i386): Mach-O executable i386 /bin/cp (for architecture ppc): Mach-O executable ppc Good to know. Andre _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… >From what I have heard X11 fails miserably with Rosetta on the new Intel Macs. Is this something to do with the way Rosetta handles things, or the way the libraries that X11 are implemented. It's something to do with the rumours sources you use; X11 and rosetta seems to function rather well for me (using an Intel iMac with a PPC windowmaker, rxvt, glxgears, idlde and gimp all appear to work). I'd recommend you just pick up an el cheapo Intel Mini, and test the apps you're expecting to use... Also, is it possible to implement unix tools as universal binaries? This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Universal binaries and X11
by Graham J Lee 03 Mar '06

03 Mar '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com On 3 Mar 2006, at 16:57, André-John Mas wrote: Hi, leeg@blatand:~>file `which cp` /bin/cp: Mach-O universal binary with 2 architectures /bin/cp (for architecture i386): Mach-O executable i386 /bin/cp (for architecture ppc): Mach-O executable ppc Cheers, Graham. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com >From what I have heard X11 fails miserably with Rosetta on the new Intel Macs. Is this something to do with the way Rosetta handles things, or the way the libraries that X11 are implemented. It's something to do with the rumours sources you use; X11 and rosetta seems to function rather well for me (using an Intel iMac with a PPC windowmaker, rxvt, glxgears, idlde and gimp all appear to work). I'd recommend you just pick up an el cheapo Intel Mini, and test the apps you're expecting to use... Also, is it possible to implement unix tools as universal binaries? smime.p7s

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Re: Universal binaries and X11
by Shantonu Sen 03 Mar '06

03 Mar '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Shantonu On Mar 3, 2006, at 9:00 AM, Shawn Erickson wrote: Hi, From what I have heard X11 fails miserably with Rosetta on the new Intel Macs. Is this something to do with the way Rosetta handles things, or the way the libraries that X11 are implemented. No idea haven't tried. If it can be compiled Apple's GCC 4.0.1 it likely can be made universal rather easily. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This isn't really an appropriate place to talk about Rosetta compatibility, which is a feature of Mac OS X for Intel systems, not part of the Darwin layer. If you have specific applications (and not speculation) on applications that run on PPC systems but not under Rosetta, and they don't fall into one of the categories in <http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/universal_binary… > of things that specifically don't work under Rosetta, you should file a bug at <http://bugreporter.apple.com>, with information on the application and what class of users are affected. On 3/3/06, André-John Mas <ajmas(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: Also, is it possible to implement unix tools as universal binaries? -Shawn _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/ssen% 40opendarwin.org This email sent to ssen(a)opendarwin.org This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Universal binaries and X11
by Shawn Erickson 03 Mar '06

03 Mar '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RprSELZoQ3ypSFfKHfosgBwt63/LfsQdLPRpXee+2dZ0vOs1cD3LvdKXaw+Ka35cfFnU4sex/rq3ipm2epsz4i4i1blocuvj5lj9GlZGXFj3fvoU2yIq0S56+RlHBvbbnBfk75Rkm2yToh/Kk2QbrjA4wC2+s9F5gIAFf8qLQx0= On 3/3/06, André-John Mas <ajmas(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: > Hi, > > From what I have heard X11 fails miserably with Rosetta on the new > Intel Macs. > Is this something to do with the way Rosetta handles things, or the > way the > libraries that X11 are implemented. No idea haven't tried. > Also, is it possible to implement unix tools as universal binaries? If it can be compiled Apple's GCC 4.0.1 it likely can be made universal rather easily. -Shawn _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Universal binaries and X11
by André-John Mas 03 Mar '06

03 Mar '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi, Also, is it possible to implement unix tools as universal binaries? Andre _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… >From what I have heard X11 fails miserably with Rosetta on the new Intel Macs. Is this something to do with the way Rosetta handles things, or the way the libraries that X11 are implemented. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Why no work on rsync?
by Rob Braun 03 Mar '06

03 Mar '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Mutt/1.4.1i On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 03:29:04PM +0100, Martin Costabel wrote: > > Sorry, I was not very clear: I would like to see the source of the exact > version that Apple shipped with the security update. Sources of the > earlier version (rsync-20) are available, I know, and they do what you > are describing. This is, after all, the rsync we had in Tiger until two > days ago. Or are you saying that the source for rsync-23 is available > somewhere on opendarwin CVS? I haven't found it yet. OpenDarwin does not keep a copy of rsync in it's cvs repository. I do not believe Apple keeps a copy of rsync in a public cvs repository. There are several older, hacked up versions of rsync (such as rsync_hfs), but those are not what you are looking for either. Looking at the apple open source website, it appears apple does not usually release source to security update releases. Only software updates that have incremented the Mac OS X version number or developer tools release appear to be routinely released. Since rsync is a GPL'd project, you can make a formal request for the source, and they should send it to you. Rob _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Why no work on rsync?
by Finlay Dobbie 03 Mar '06

03 Mar '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Q4d1kdSj2c3Nyl1Ov7XtL+TTfaae0v8WViGO3EZvmB6Fz7HS8rVh+qlI3zx7HIwFKYnVfycsK5ZLrONrrO9s5dMOdDLjAYk/YzUuNy+TX2i0IRBdd0UMRK503xH265yNGKYvvUhqkxZmsTrI6rqnxm+CGRBi6xxl9Wcd+GXZdIE= On 3/3/06, Martin Costabel <costabel(a)wanadoo.fr> wrote: > Sorry, I was not very clear: I would like to see the source of the exact > version that Apple shipped with the security update. Sources of the > earlier version (rsync-20) are available, I know, and they do what you > are describing. This is, after all, the rsync we had in Tiger until two > days ago. Or are you saying that the source for rsync-23 is available > somewhere on opendarwin CVS? I haven't found it yet. Apple generally doesn't make source drops available for Security Update releases. However, rsync appears to be covered by the GPL, and so Apple is obliged to provide the sources. Give it a few days. -- Finlay > -- > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/finlay.dobbie%40gmail.com > > This email sent to finlay.dobbie(a)gmail.com > _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Why no work on rsync?
by Martin Costabel 03 Mar '06

03 Mar '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Macintosh/20051201) -- Martin _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… John R. Timmer wrote: OpenDarwin's got a version that includes an -aehfs flag which nicely handles extended HFS metadata, and it seems to default to handling resource forks properly (no flags needed), as far as i can determine. It's easy to checkout via CVS. I also tweaked the Makefile to build a universal binary of it - if you're interested in trying it out, I'll mail you a copy. It looks like you're likely to stress test it more than i will. Sorry, I was not very clear: I would like to see the source of the exact version that Apple shipped with the security update. Sources of the earlier version (rsync-20) are available, I know, and they do what you are describing. This is, after all, the rsync we had in Tiger until two days ago. Or are you saying that the source for rsync-23 is available somewhere on opendarwin CVS? I haven't found it yet. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Why no work on rsync?
by Nils Holland 03 Mar '06

03 Mar '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Organization: Ti Systems User-agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) robert delius royar schrieb: But here is what I see when I self update: % port -vd selfupdate DEBUG: Rebuilding the darwinports base system if needed. Synchronizing from rsync://rsync.darwinports.org/dpupdate/dports receiving file list ... done rsync: delete_one: unlink "/opt/local/var/db/dports/sources/rsync.rsync.darwinports.org_dpupdate_dports/x11/qt3/files/qt.patch" failed: Unknown error: 0 (0) Greetings, Nils _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… Is this --delete problem perhaps related to the error I have been seeing when I try to selfupdate the darwinports' tree (I realize this is the darwindev list hosted by Apple and not darwinports). Yes, ever since the release of the latest Apple Security Updates, these things started to occur for both Fink and DarwinPorts users on 10.4. Users of 10.3.9. don't seem to be affected, however, as the Security Update didn't make any changes to rsync on that platform. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Why no work on rsync?
by robert delius royar 03 Mar '06

03 Mar '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Organization: An Apple OS X end user Priority: normal Fri, 3 Mar 2006 (13:59 +0100 UTC) Martin Costabel wrote: > Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > [] >> I've even been using the version that went out today on some of my own >> machines for awhile now without encountering this error... > > Is the source for rsync-23 available somewhere? Is this --delete problem perhaps related to the error I have been seeing when I try to selfupdate the darwinports' tree (I realize this is the darwindev list hosted by Apple and not darwinports). But here is what I see when I self update: % port -vd selfupdate DEBUG: Rebuilding the darwinports base system if needed. Synchronizing from rsync://rsync.darwinports.org/dpupdate/dports receiving file list ... done rsync: delete_one: unlink "/opt/local/var/db/dports/sources/rsync.rsync.darwinports.org_dpupdate_dports/x11/qt3/files/qt.patch" failed: Unknown error: 0 (0) rsync: delete_one: unlink "/opt/local/var/db/dports/sources/rsync.rsync.darwinports.org_dpupdate_dports/textproc/msort/files/patch-msort.c" failed: Invalid argument (22) rsync: delete_one: unlink "/opt/local/var/db/dports/sources/rsync.rsync.darwinports.org_dpupdate_dports/mail/courier-imap/files/imapd.sh" failed: Invalid argument (22) rsync: delete_one: unlink "/opt/local/var/db/dports/sources/rsync.rsync.darwinports.org_dpupdate_dports/mail/courier-imap/files/imapd-ssl.sh" failed: Invalid argument (22) rsync: delete_one: unlink "/opt/local/var/db/dports/sources/rsync.rsync.darwinports.org_dpupdate_dports/kde/kdelibs3/files/kdelibs3.patch" failed: Invalid argument (22) rsync: delete_one: unlink "/opt/local/var/db/dports/sources/rsync.rsync.darwinports.org_dpupdate_dports/kde/kdebase3/files/kdebase3.patch" failed: Invalid argument (22) rsync: delete_one: unlink "/opt/local/var/db/dports/sources/rsync.rsync.darwinports.org_dpupdate_dports/kde/kdeaccessibility3/files/kttsdrc" failed: Invalid argument (22) rsync: delete_one: unlink "/opt/local/var/db/dports/sources/rsync.rsync.darwinports.org_dpupdate_dports/archivers/xar/files/patch-Makefile.in" failed: Invalid argument (22) sent 77 bytes received 204375 bytes 58414.86 bytes/sec total size is 11470836 speedup is 56.11 rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at /SourceCache/rsync/rsync-23/rsync/main.c(1161) DEBUG: Couldnt sync dports tree: sync failed doing rsync while executing "darwinports::selfupdate [array get global_options]" Error: /opt/local/bin/port: selfupdate failed: Couldnt sync dports tree: sync failed doing rsync % I am running 10.4.5 with the latest security update on a PB G4. -- Dr. Robert Delius Royar Associate Professor of English Morehead State University Morehead, Kentucky _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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