September 2006 - Darwin-dev

Re: Volume header needs minor repair
by Dan Shoop 22 Sep '06

22 Sep '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop(a)iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 "The wise man doesn't give the right answers, he poses the right questions." -- Claude Levi-Strauss ------------------------------------------------------------------------ iWiring provides systems and networks support for Mac OS X, unix, and Open Source application technologies at affordable rates. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… At 4:08 PM +0200 9/22/06, Nils Holland wrote: I've always booted into single user mode and run fsck manually. It found and fixed whatever was wrong. Running diskutil or Disk Utility to verify/repair the volume is probably preferred. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Volume header needs minor repair
by Nils Holland 22 Sep '06

22 Sep '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi everybody, Any hints would be much appreciated! Greetings, Nils _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… I'm well aware that this list might not be the most appropriate place for my question, but I've spent a long, long time looking for an answer on the web and didn't find anything helpful. Ok, so here's I go: On three different Intel-based Macs, when letting Disk Utility check the boot volume (journaled HFS+), I'm occasionally getting, in big read letters, a message saying that verification of the volume failed and that the "Volume header needs minor repair". The document at http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107250 says that this error message can safely be ignored on journaled HFS+ volumes. However, the document specifically claims to apply to Mac OS X 10.3.9 or earlier only. I've always booted into single user mode and run fsck manually. It found and fixed whatever was wrong. Still, I'm wondering if that's really necessary, or if the information in the above mentioned document also applies to Mac OS X 10.4 and up, and the error can still safely be ignored. As a side note, I've got the strange (but as of yet unproven) feeling that the issue regularely occurs after installing a new Software Update that requires a reboot. I guess I'll keep an eye on that, but for now let's only sum the question up again: Does the information in the above mentioned document still apply to 10.4+ and can the error messages mentioned in there still safely be ignored? This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: *.dmg file too big
by Peter Lovell 22 Sep '06

22 Sep '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com On Sep 21, 2006, at 4:53 PM, Finlay Dobbie wrote: > The latest OS Install packages are designed to use features in the > latest Installer. If you try to install them using a version of the > Installer older than they are, they may fail in subtle ways. One might think that such Install packages should have some way of verifying that the Installer running them supports all their requirements ... One might think that people should follow instructions and that Apple shouldn't have to worry about stopping people who ignore the directions from shooting themselves in the feet. Regards.....Peter _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… On 21/09/06, Ted Thibodeau Jr <tthibodeau(a)openlinksw.com> wrote: -- Finlay Actually, verification is not a bad thing. I remember well having problems in the early days of Tiger because my disk had both a Tiger partition and a Panther partition. But when booted to Tiger, double-click on a package would launch Installer on the Panther volume, and much unhappiness ensued. I was trying to do the right thing and was following all the instructions I had. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: *.dmg file too big
by Peter Bierman 22 Sep '06

22 Sep '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com One might think that such Install packages should have some way of verifying that the Installer running them supports all their requirements ... One might think that people should follow instructions and that Apple shouldn't have to worry about stopping people who ignore the directions from shooting themselves in the feet. -pmb _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… At 6:40 PM -0700 9/21/06, Daniel M. Zimmerman wrote: --On 21 September 2006 16.53.17 -0400 Finlay Dobbie <finlay.dobbie(a)gmail.com> wrote: While this is certainly true for the particular instance of this phenomenon that started the discussion here, it doesn't invalidate the general point... if, once a new Installer version comes out, a third party releases an Installer package that depends on new features of Installer, one really would think that it would be a good thing if old versions of Installer would refuse to install said package. That would defeat the ability to use deprecated features to replicate newer functionality on older releases. For example, packages created for 10.4 can make use of an XML distribution script, which replaces several older mechanisms for doing things like InstallChecks. If the author puts an InstallCheck script in one of these packages, 10.3 will see the InstallCheck script and ignore the .dist file. 10.4 will see the .dist file and ignore the InstallCheck. The installer almost always errs on the side of giving the package author as much flexibility as possible. In your example, it would be the responsibility of the 3rd party author to create packages that gave the user an appropriate error. So the OSInstall.mpkg _could_ be authored to strictly require the exact build of the Installer it shipped with, but doesn't, for reasons private to Apple's development process. It does, however, log an error in the install log if you try to install an OSInstall.mpkg using an OS build older than what's in the package. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: *.dmg file too big
by Daniel M. Zimmerman 22 Sep '06

22 Sep '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com One might think that such Install packages should have some way of verifying that the Installer running them supports all their requirements ... One might think that people should follow instructions and that Apple shouldn't have to worry about stopping people who ignore the directions from shooting themselves in the feet. -Dan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Daniel M. Zimmerman TFF Enterprises M/S 256-80 - Caltech http://www.tffenterprises.com/ Pasadena, California 91125 USA dmz(a)tffenterprises.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… --On 21 September 2006 16.53.17 -0400 Finlay Dobbie <finlay.dobbie(a)gmail.com> wrote: While this is certainly true for the particular instance of this phenomenon that started the discussion here, it doesn't invalidate the general point... if, once a new Installer version comes out, a third party releases an Installer package that depends on new features of Installer, one really would think that it would be a good thing if old versions of Installer would refuse to install said package. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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ls -L from DTS
by David Hoerl 22 Sep '06

22 Sep '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com It was killed by DTS saying works as expected. I got back a cryptic response on the documentation bug that included: David _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… I submitted a bug on my issue with ls -L symbolic_file returning the same as ls file. So, I entered another bug asking that the documentation be updated to say that -L only does something if "l" is also used. "After further investigation it has been determined that this is a known issue, which is currently being investigated by engineering." So, not sure if its my original bug, or the documentation bug, but at least ONE of them is being addressed. :-) This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: *.dmg file too big
by John Siracusa 22 Sep '06

22 Sep '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Thread-index: Acbd2m7orWcqEEnNEduh6gAKlbpFBg== Thread-topic: *.dmg file too big User-agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 On 9/21/06 4:53 PM, Finlay Dobbie wrote: > On 21/09/06, Ted Thibodeau Jr <tthibodeau(a)openlinksw.com> wrote: >> One might think that such Install packages should have some way >> of verifying that the Installer running them supports all their >> requirements ... > > One might think that people should follow instructions and that Apple > shouldn't have to worry about stopping people who ignore the > directions from shooting themselves in the feet. While on the topic of what "one might think," one might think that distributing Xcode in a separate disk image would have made the remainder small enough to fit on a single-layer DVD. "One" might find that convenient the next time around... -John _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: *.dmg file too big
by Finlay Dobbie 21 Sep '06

21 Sep '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JR1lFmyaqmK3xEOFvqYK6V9kB4QRXDjWntdPfyCy6Ii7Y3mvoejVNhXQPQGSVnrcgobWaGAM+kEUL17dKd4HfQiBHeYsF1Zdu2oCuJql+gXnnaknL8wJgsvw5YxPlwgR18s0JsrKD7XndVrCN58OaE/DEjHR64mKW5tXQBv0b70= > The latest OS Install packages are designed to use features in the > latest Installer. If you try to install them using a version of the > Installer older than they are, they may fail in subtle ways. One might think that such Install packages should have some way of verifying that the Installer running them supports all their requirements ... One might think that people should follow instructions and that Apple shouldn't have to worry about stopping people who ignore the directions from shooting themselves in the feet. -- Finlay _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… On 21/09/06, Ted Thibodeau Jr <tthibodeau(a)openlinksw.com> wrote: This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: *.dmg file too big
by Ted Thibodeau Jr 21 Sep '06

21 Sep '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com ** At 5:24 PM -0400 9/20/06, Dan Shoop wrote: >> You can just install the packages from the mounted dmg. They're in >> System/Installation/Packages. * Peter Bierman [2006/09/20 03:50 PM -0700] wrote: > No. Do Not Do That. It will Not work correctly. > > The latest OS Install packages are designed to use features in the > latest Installer. If you try to install them using a version of the > Installer older than they are, they may fail in subtle ways. One might think that such Install packages should have some way of verifying that the Installer running them supports all their requirements ... and/or that the Installer should be checking some property of the package against itself, to the same end. Does this need a RADAR from me? Be seeing you, Ted -- A: Yes. http://www.guckes.net/faq/attribution.html | Q: Are you sure? | | A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. | | | Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? Ted Thibodeau, Jr. // voice +1-781-273-0900 x32 Evangelism & Support // mailto:tthibodeau@openlinksw.com OpenLink Software, Inc. // http://www.openlinksw.com/ http://www.openlinksw.com/weblogs/uda/ OpenLink Blogs http://www.openlinksw.com/weblogs/virtuoso/ http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen/ Universal Data Access and Virtual Database Technology Providers _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: *.dmg file too big
by Dan Shoop 21 Sep '06

21 Sep '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Well then you can just leave the dmg as a dmg and just mount it with hdid (etc) as well too. That is you don't have to expand the dmg's onto disk. No. Do Not Do That. It will Not work correctly. Noted. -- -dhan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop AIM: iWiring Systems & Networks Architect http://www.ustsvs.com/ shoop(a)iwiring.net http://www.iwiring.net/ 1-714-363-1174 "The wise man doesn't give the right answers, he poses the right questions." -- Claude Levi-Strauss ------------------------------------------------------------------------ iWiring provides systems and networks support for Mac OS X, unix, and Open Source application technologies at affordable rates. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… At 3:50 PM -0700 9/20/06, Peter Bierman wrote: At 5:24 PM -0400 9/20/06, Dan Shoop wrote: At 4:08 PM -0400 9/20/06, Ted Thibodeau Jr wrote: * Dan Shoop [2006/09/20 03:46 PM -0400] wrote: ... but you can't boot from a mounted .dmg ... You can just install the packages from the mounted dmg. They're in System/Installation/Packages. The latest OS Install packages are designed to use features in the latest Installer. If you try to install them using a version of the Installer older than they are, they may fail in subtle ways. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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