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Re: Conditional install of special package under 10.2
by Stéphane Sudre 31 May '05

31 May '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com On mardi, mai 31, 2005, at 06:07 PM, Sanford Selznick wrote: Hello, You can do this: Metapackage ----+--- Your Stuff.pkg or .mpkg | +--- Their stuff .mpkg _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… My installer needs to run on 10.2, 10.3, and 10.4. When my installer is run on 10.2, I need to install a second package. I have the second package (mpkg file) from a third party. I don't have the components of the second package. How do I build my installer so the third-party installer will only be executed on 10.2? In their Stuff .mpkg, you need to add an (or modify the) InstallationCheck script so that it returns 64 if the OS is not 10.2. To find how to write such a script, you can have a look at the InstallationScript in some Apple Packages for instance. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Conditional install of special package under 10.2
by Sanford Selznick 31 May '05

31 May '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hello, Thanks, Sanford _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… My installer needs to run on 10.2, 10.3, and 10.4. When my installer is run on 10.2, I need to install a second package. I have the second package (mpkg file) from a third party. I don't have the components of the second package. How do I build my installer so the third-party installer will only be executed on 10.2? This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Installing plugins
by Rob Keniger 27 May '05

27 May '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com On 27/05/2005, at 16:47, Stéphane Sudre wrote: -- rob.keniger ------ menumachine for adobe golive ------ build dynamic drop-down menus in seconds ------- http://www.menumachine.com ------- _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… The LaunchServicesLookup method returns one location or no locations. So what you're experiencing is the correct behavior. OK, makes sense. So this essentially uses the LSGetApplicationForInfo () call that I am using in my postflight tool. If you want to be able to select amongst all (or almost) the possible locations, you would need to use the BundleIdentifierSearch or CommonAppSearch method. I tried BundleIdentifierSearch and while the installer certainly did scan the file system for matching apps, it still didn't present me with a list of apps to choose from, even though there were several valid versions of the software installed that should have been matched. Has anyone been able to get the UserLocation key to successfully present the user with a list of matching apps? This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Segmented encrypted dmg
by Pavol Markovic 27 May '05

27 May '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi, sorry if being off-topic, but it's related to installer packaging. Thanks for advice, Pavol Markovic _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… I'd like to distribute installer and related files in password encrypted dmg file (as StuffIt Expander is no longer default part of Mac OS X (since 10.4) and download from allume.com is not very straightforward. And system's BOMArchiver does not support password protected zip files. As the dmg file is too large so I decided to segment it. And here's the problem. When user clicks on first segment, he'll be asked for password for every single dmg segment. Is there any way to type the password once for all segments? I've tried to use no password for all but first dmg segment, but still the prompt window shows up. It's not very handy when you have 8 segments. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Installing plugins
by Stéphane Sudre 27 May '05

27 May '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com On vendredi, mai 27, 2005, at 04:20 AM, Rob Keniger wrote: On 27/05/2005, at 9:40, John Kirkham wrote: [...] My $0.02 _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… [...] I hope this helps. I'm sure there must be a better way to do it, so if you find out please post back to this list. Thanks. In Mac OS 10.3 and later the installer also lets you locate installed applications using the bundle identifier. If you haven't already checked it out, try reading the following: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/DeveloperTools/Conceptual/ SoftwareDistribution/Concepts/sd_find_file.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/ 20001941 I've tried this and can't seem to get it to work. I created a TokenDefinitions.plist file in my Resources folder like so: No matter what I do, the installer never prompts me to choose one of the installed copies of GoLive, even though I have four different versions installed that all use the com.adobe.GoLive bundle > identifier. The LaunchServicesLookup method returns one location or no locations. So what you're experiencing is the correct behavior. If you want to be able to select amongst all (or almost) the possible locations, you would need to use the BundleIdentifierSearch or CommonAppSearch method. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Installing plugins
by Rob Keniger 27 May '05

27 May '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com On 27/05/2005, at 9:40, John Kirkham wrote: I did find this message: http://lists.apple.com/archives/installer-dev/2004/Dec/msg00009.html -- rob.keniger ------ menumachine for adobe golive ------ build dynamic drop-down menus in seconds ------- http://www.menumachine.com ------- _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… I've tried this and got it to work using: CFArrayRef LSCopyApplicationURLsForURL ( CFURLRef inURL, LSRolesMask inRolesMask ); This requires a URL that would be handled by the expected application - this means that if you wanted to find apps that handle a certain document you'd need to know where one is or create a dummy one (ie, here file-type is specified by the file name extension). The second field allows you to specify the role so you could narrow it down to a list of editors that handle that file-type. The result is an array of URL's that point to the applications that handle it. Note that special characters, including spaces, are URL- encoded so you have to handle this if you want a more typical unix path string. Thanks, John. I did see this method but I wasn't sure about using dummy files, I guess I could do that. I hope this helps. I'm sure there must be a better way to do it, so if you find out please post back to this list. Thanks. In Mac OS 10.3 and later the installer also lets you locate installed applications using the bundle identifier. If you haven't already checked it out, try reading the following: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/DeveloperTools/Conceptual/ SoftwareDistribution/Concepts/sd_find_file.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/ 20001941 I've tried this and can't seem to get it to work. I created a TokenDefinitions.plist file in my Resources folder like so: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple Computer//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http:// www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd"> <plist version="1.0"> <dict> <key>UserLocation</key> <array> <dict> <key>searchPlugin</key> <string>LaunchServicesLookup</string> <key>identifier</key> <string>com.adobe.GoLive</string> </dict> </array> </dict> </plist> No matter what I do, the installer never prompts me to choose one of the installed copies of GoLive, even though I have four different versions installed that all use the com.adobe.GoLive bundle identifier. I'm also not entirely sure how the tokens are accessed. If, for example, I want to access the installation location from postflight I use the $2 argument passed to the script. However, even with the TokenDefinitions.plist file above present, the value of $2 is always the default install location, NOT the one that the UserLocation token should have found. I thought perhaps it would be possible to access $UserLocation as an environment variable but no success. Although there's good documentation about creating Tokens, there doesn't seem to be any documentation about what exactly the Tokens can be used for and how to use them. Which describes the $DESTINATION_TOKEN environment variable, but it looks like this will not be reliable. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Installing plugins
by John Kirkham 26 May '05

26 May '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com John Kirkham Alias -- Toronto, Canada On 26-May-05, at 18:31, Rob Keniger wrote: Hi, Does anyone have any ideas? -- rob.keniger ------ menumachine for adobe golive ------ build dynamic drop-down menus in seconds ------- http://www.menumachine.com ------- _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Hi Rob, I've tried this and got it to work using: CFArrayRef LSCopyApplicationURLsForURL ( CFURLRef inURL, LSRolesMask inRolesMask ); This requires a URL that would be handled by the expected application - this means that if you wanted to find apps that handle a certain document you'd need to know where one is or create a dummy one (ie, here file-type is specified by the file name extension). The second field allows you to specify the role so you could narrow it down to a list of editors that handle that file-type. The result is an array of URL's that point to the applications that handle it. Note that special characters, including spaces, are URL-encoded so you have to handle this if you want a more typical unix path string. I hope this helps. I'm sure there must be a better way to do it, so if you find out please post back to this list. Thanks. In Mac OS 10.3 and later the installer also lets you locate installed applications using the bundle identifier. If you haven't already checked it out, try reading the following: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/DeveloperTools/Conceptual/ SoftwareDistribution/Concepts/sd_find_file.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/ 20001941 I'm not sure if this is OT or not so please feel free to point me to another list. I have a plugin for Adobe GoLive that requires several different files to be installed in different places in an already-installed copy of GoLive. I have developed an installer that first copies the files to be installed to a folder in the /Applications folder and then, using a postflight script, identifies the default copy of GoLive using the LaunchServices APIs (specifically, LSGetApplicationForInfo) and then moves the files to the correct locations in that copy of GoLive. This works perfectly back to 10.2. The main problem I have is working out what to do if the user has more than one copy of GoLive installed. I'd like to prompt the user for the install location and I realise I'll have to do that using an application. However, the LaunchServices APIs don't appear to have a method that returns all applications matching a given bundle identifier or creator code, so I don't think I can easily obtain a list of installed copies of GoLive. However, there must be a way to do this. I don't really want to do a manual scan of the file system to locate copies of GoLive if I can possibly help it. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/ jkirkham%40alias.com This email sent to jkirkham(a)alias.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Installing plugins
by Rob Keniger 26 May '05

26 May '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi, Does anyone have any ideas? -- rob.keniger ------ menumachine for adobe golive ------ build dynamic drop-down menus in seconds ------- http://www.menumachine.com ------- _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… I'm not sure if this is OT or not so please feel free to point me to another list. I have a plugin for Adobe GoLive that requires several different files to be installed in different places in an already-installed copy of GoLive. I have developed an installer that first copies the files to be installed to a folder in the /Applications folder and then, using a postflight script, identifies the default copy of GoLive using the LaunchServices APIs (specifically, LSGetApplicationForInfo) and then moves the files to the correct locations in that copy of GoLive. This works perfectly back to 10.2. The main problem I have is working out what to do if the user has more than one copy of GoLive installed. I'd like to prompt the user for the install location and I realise I'll have to do that using an application. However, the LaunchServices APIs don't appear to have a method that returns all applications matching a given bundle identifier or creator code, so I don't think I can easily obtain a list of installed copies of GoLive. However, there must be a way to do this. I don't really want to do a manual scan of the file system to locate copies of GoLive if I can possibly help it. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Getting User Input in Installer
by Dave Johnson 26 May '05

26 May '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Since I kinda messed up on the subject line in the original ("Hi, All"), I thought I'd repost the thread under a proper title. Thanks to everyone for the thoughtful replies. Tiger Installer Plugin *----------------------- Since I have to work back to 10.2, this, while it sounds good, probably doesn't work for me. " like InstallShield on Windows" *------------------------------------ Yeah, that sort of thing sounds good. I don't know installshield that well, and I suppose I should admit that I am really a Windows developer, and sort of feeling my way around in the Mac/OS X world. But it did occur to me that since Installer is already capable of asking you for an install path, it seems that it wouldn't be too hard to configure one or two additional arbitrary fill in fields. "ask the user the first time it's run" *---------------------------------------- This is a good idea, except my client is kind of a silent agent sort of thing, and doesn't have any UI. "difficult to use that installer in any kind of automated situation" *---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Absolutely right, and I have figured out that I will have to provide a script-based install as well to satisfy this. In fact, that's how I was doing it initially, and got into installer when my local Mac user guinea pigs were fairly horrified at installing from a terminal window. Once I found Package Maker, my curiosity just pulled me along from there. Last thing I will mention, it does look like InstallAnywhere (commercial cross platform installer product) does provide for adding custom tabs of the sort that I'd like. I have no experience with it, but I might give it a try. Thanks again! == dj >>> Christopher Ryan <ryanc(a)apple.com> 5/25/2005 5:04 PM >>> Future ideas aside, the only way to do this in a "supported" fashion is to use an Installer Plugin introduced in Tiger. These plugins let you add a "section" in the Installer. You cannot add UI "during" install, but you can add UI right before or right after the files get laid down. If you have Tiger, there is an "Installer Plugin" template in Xcode under the "Standard Apple Plug-ins" section of the new project dialog. If you have further questions feel free to ask, since there is little documentation other then the headers in the "InstallerPlugins.framework". Chris > Sure would be nice to do it like InstallShield on Windows does. You > can have default values that are picked in the case of a silent > install and use a script to populate the values too. If the install > is not run silently then it would have forms to get the > information. Then you can do silent or prompted installs. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Bierman" <bierman(a)apple.com> > To: "Dave Johnson" <DDJOHNSON(a)novell.com> > Cc: <installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 4:20 PM > Subject: Re: Hi, All, > > > >> Why can't the client app/tool ask the user the first time it's run? >> >> Adding user interaction during the install process makes it very >> difficult to use that installer in any kind of automated >> situation, such as university labs, ARD Managed environments, >> clusters, etc... >> >> (See also: QuickTime registration panel during Software Update.) >> >> For that reason we highly discourage people from launching >> interactive apps or tools from the pre/post scripts. >> >> -pmb >> >> >> At 1:29 PM -0400 5/25/05, Dave Johnson wrote: >> >>> Hi, All, >>> Is running a separate application from e.g. preflight the only >>> way to get user input during the install process? >>> >>> This seems like a common need that Installer could handle, but >>> I've not found any other way. >>> >>> This post: >>> http://lists.apple.com/archives/installer-dev/2005/Feb/msg00002.html >>> seems to imply that launching an app is the only way. >>> >>> My application is the client for a client-server application, and >>> I need to tell it which server to connect to. >>> I worked out an obscure way to do this using a Terminal window >>> and shell script, from preflight, but it looks like Tiger breaks >>> what I am doing. >>> >>> A cocoa app to ask the question would look better anyway, but it >>> just seems like overkill to have an entire application that ships >>> in my install just to ask one little question and to get the >>> result into a file (or an environment variable would probably do) >>> so that postflight has it available for configuring the client app. >>> >>> Thanks in advance for any help/advice/suggestions! >>> >>> == dj >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/bierman% >>> 40apple.com >>> >>> This email sent to bierman(a)apple.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/jlevitsk% >> 40joshie.com >> >> This email sent to jlevitsk(a)joshie.com >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/ryanc%40apple.com > > This email sent to ryanc(a)apple.com > _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Hi, All,
by Christopher Ryan 25 May '05

25 May '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Bierman" <bierman(a)apple.com> To: "Dave Johnson" <DDJOHNSON(a)novell.com> Cc: <installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 4:20 PM Subject: Re: Hi, All, Why can't the client app/tool ask the user the first time it's run? (See also: QuickTime registration panel during Software Update.) -pmb At 1:29 PM -0400 5/25/05, Dave Johnson wrote: This post: http://lists.apple.com/archives/installer-dev/2005/Feb/msg00002.html seems to imply that launching an app is the only way. Thanks in advance for any help/advice/suggestions! == dj This email sent to bierman(a)apple.com This email sent to jlevitsk(a)joshie.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/ryanc%40apple.com This email sent to ryanc(a)apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Future ideas aside, the only way to do this in a "supported" fashion is to use an Installer Plugin introduced in Tiger. These plugins let you add a "section" in the Installer. You cannot add UI "during" install, but you can add UI right before or right after the files get laid down. If you have Tiger, there is an "Installer Plugin" template in Xcode under the "Standard Apple Plug-ins" section of the new project dialog. If you have further questions feel free to ask, since there is little documentation other then the headers in the "InstallerPlugins.framework". Sure would be nice to do it like InstallShield on Windows does. You can have default values that are picked in the case of a silent install and use a script to populate the values too. If the install is not run silently then it would have forms to get the information. Then you can do silent or prompted installs. Adding user interaction during the install process makes it very difficult to use that installer in any kind of automated situation, such as university labs, ARD Managed environments, clusters, etc... For that reason we highly discourage people from launching interactive apps or tools from the pre/post scripts. Hi, All, Is running a separate application from e.g. preflight the only way to get user input during the install process? This seems like a common need that Installer could handle, but I've not found any other way. My application is the client for a client-server application, and I need to tell it which server to connect to. I worked out an obscure way to do this using a Terminal window and shell script, from preflight, but it looks like Tiger breaks what I am doing. A cocoa app to ask the question would look better anyway, but it just seems like overkill to have an entire application that ships in my install just to ask one little question and to get the result into a file (or an environment variable would probably do) so that postflight has it available for configuring the client app. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/bierman% 40apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/jlevitsk% 40joshie.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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