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Re: Hi, All,
by Joshua Levitsky 25 May '05

25 May '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Why can't the client app/tool ask the user the first time it's run? (See also: QuickTime registration panel during Software Update.) -pmb This post: http://lists.apple.com/archives/installer-dev/2005/Feb/msg00002.html seems to imply that launching an app is the only way. Thanks in advance for any help/advice/suggestions! == dj _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/bierman%40apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/jlevitsk%40joshie.com This email sent to jlevitsk(a)joshie.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Sure would be nice to do it like InstallShield on Windows does. You can have default values that are picked in the case of a silent install and use a script to populate the values too. If the install is not run silently then it would have forms to get the information. Then you can do silent or prompted installs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Bierman" <bierman(a)apple.com> To: "Dave Johnson" <DDJOHNSON(a)novell.com> Cc: <installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 4:20 PM Subject: Re: Hi, All, Adding user interaction during the install process makes it very difficult to use that installer in any kind of automated situation, such as university labs, ARD Managed environments, clusters, etc... For that reason we highly discourage people from launching interactive apps or tools from the pre/post scripts. At 1:29 PM -0400 5/25/05, Dave Johnson wrote: Hi, All, Is running a separate application from e.g. preflight the only way to get user input during the install process? This seems like a common need that Installer could handle, but I've not found any other way. My application is the client for a client-server application, and I need to tell it which server to connect to. I worked out an obscure way to do this using a Terminal window and shell script, from preflight, but it looks like Tiger breaks what I am doing. A cocoa app to ask the question would look better anyway, but it just seems like overkill to have an entire application that ships in my install just to ask one little question and to get the result into a file (or an environment variable would probably do) so that postflight has it available for configuring the client app. This email sent to bierman(a)apple.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Hi, All,
by Peter Bierman 25 May '05

25 May '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Why can't the client app/tool ask the user the first time it's run? (See also: QuickTime registration panel during Software Update.) -pmb This post: http://lists.apple.com/archives/installer-dev/2005/Feb/msg00002.html seems to imply that launching an app is the only way. Thanks in advance for any help/advice/suggestions! == dj _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/bierman%40apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Adding user interaction during the install process makes it very difficult to use that installer in any kind of automated situation, such as university labs, ARD Managed environments, clusters, etc... For that reason we highly discourage people from launching interactive apps or tools from the pre/post scripts. At 1:29 PM -0400 5/25/05, Dave Johnson wrote: Hi, All, Is running a separate application from e.g. preflight the only way to get user input during the install process? This seems like a common need that Installer could handle, but I've not found any other way. My application is the client for a client-server application, and I need to tell it which server to connect to. I worked out an obscure way to do this using a Terminal window and shell script, from preflight, but it looks like Tiger breaks what I am doing. A cocoa app to ask the question would look better anyway, but it just seems like overkill to have an entire application that ships in my install just to ask one little question and to get the result into a file (or an environment variable would probably do) so that postflight has it available for configuring the client app. This email sent to bierman(a)apple.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Hi, All,
by Dave Johnson 25 May '05

25 May '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi, All, Is running a separate application from e.g. preflight the only way to get user input during the install process? This seems like a common need that Installer could handle, but I've not found any other way. This post: http://lists.apple.com/archives/installer-dev/2005/Feb/msg00002.html seems to imply that launching an app is the only way. My application is the client for a client-server application, and I need to tell it which server to connect to. I worked out an obscure way to do this using a Terminal window and shell script, from preflight, but it looks like Tiger breaks what I am doing. A cocoa app to ask the question would look better anyway, but it just seems like overkill to have an entire application that ships in my install just to ask one little question and to get the result into a file (or an environment variable would probably do) so that postflight has it available for configuring the client app. Thanks in advance for any help/advice/suggestions! == dj _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Package Maker Weirdness
by Peter Bierman 24 May '05

24 May '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com -pmb I've experienced this problem also. I've noticed two things... If I just kill the process, the package seems to be OK. If I run PackageMaker a second time, it usually completes. Unlike Bob, I have no "deep" paths in my packages. Steve -----Original Message----- From: installer-dev-bounces+steve=equilibrium.com(a)lists.apple.com [mailto:installer-dev-bounces+steve=equilibrium.com@lists.apple.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Ryan Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:16 AM To: Bob Hickey Cc: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Subject: Re: Package Maker Weirdness Can you sample PackageMaker and packagearchiver (if it is running) and send me the output? Thanks, Chris p.s. "sample PackageMaker 5" On May 23, 2005, at 8:08 AM, Bob Hickey wrote: I am using PackageMaker 1.2 on Mac OS 10.3.7. I have an application that needs to have some application framework files in the bundle. When I try to build the installer, Package Maker never finishes. (I let in run from one full hour). If I remove two of the folders inside the bundle, the installer builds in seconds. Both of the folders I remove have folder paths that run deep. For example: Contents/Resources/framework/Versions/A/Resources/info.plist Contents/Frameworks/LicenseFramework/Versions/A/Resources/ English.lproj/info.plist.strings Does anyone have any ideas about this? Thanks, Bob Hickey _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/bierman%40apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Also, if someone can run 'sample <pid> 10' and attach that to the bug report, it'd be very useful. At 9:23 AM -0700 5/24/05, Christopher Ryan wrote: I have no success actually reproducing this problem. If someone has a reproducible case that they can send me their roots for, that would be great. Chris _______________________________________________ This email sent to bierman(a)apple.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Package Maker Weirdness
by Adam Holt 24 May '05

24 May '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Not sure if this is related or not but I did get this problem when I was storing the .pkg into the same folder as my package resources (i.e. Where the license file, readme goes). Yes realise that was a silly thing to do, but it's what caused PackageMaker to seemingly get stuck in an endless process for me. Cheers... Adam. On 24/5/05 5:23 pm, "Christopher Ryan" <ryanc(a)apple.com> wrote: > I have no success actually reproducing this problem. If someone has > a reproducible case that they can send me their roots for, that would > be great. > > Chris >> I've experienced this problem also. I've noticed two things... >> >> If I just kill the process, the package seems to be OK. >> >> If I run PackageMaker a second time, it usually completes. >> >> Unlike Bob, I have no "deep" paths in my packages. >> >> Steve >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: installer-dev-bounces+steve=equilibrium.com(a)lists.apple.com >> [mailto:installer-dev-bounces >> +steve=equilibrium.com(a)lists.apple.com] On >> Behalf Of Christopher Ryan >> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:16 AM >> To: Bob Hickey >> Cc: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com >> Subject: Re: Package Maker Weirdness >> >> Can you sample PackageMaker and packagearchiver (if it is running) >> and send me the output? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chris >> >> p.s. "sample PackageMaker 5" >> >> On May 23, 2005, at 8:08 AM, Bob Hickey wrote: >> >> >>> I am using PackageMaker 1.2 on Mac OS 10.3.7. >>> >>> I have an application that needs to have some application framework >>> files in the bundle. When I try to build the installer, Package >>> Maker never finishes. (I let in run from one full hour). If I >>> remove two of the folders inside the bundle, the installer builds >>> in seconds. >>> >>> Both of the folders I remove have folder paths that run deep. For >>> example: >>> >>> Contents/Resources/framework/Versions/A/Resources/info.plist >>> Contents/Frameworks/LicenseFramework/Versions/A/Resources/ >>> English.lproj/info.plist.strings >>> >>> Does anyone have any ideas about this? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Bob Hickey >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/adamholt%40mac.com > > This email sent to adamholt(a)mac.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Package Maker Weirdness
by Christopher Ryan 24 May '05

24 May '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com I've experienced this problem also. I've noticed two things... If I just kill the process, the package seems to be OK. If I run PackageMaker a second time, it usually completes. Unlike Bob, I have no "deep" paths in my packages. Steve Can you sample PackageMaker and packagearchiver (if it is running) and send me the output? Thanks, Chris p.s. "sample PackageMaker 5" On May 23, 2005, at 8:08 AM, Bob Hickey wrote: I am using PackageMaker 1.2 on Mac OS 10.3.7. I have an application that needs to have some application framework files in the bundle. When I try to build the installer, Package Maker never finishes. (I let in run from one full hour). If I remove two of the folders inside the bundle, the installer builds in seconds. Both of the folders I remove have folder paths that run deep. For example: Contents/Resources/framework/Versions/A/Resources/info.plist Contents/Frameworks/LicenseFramework/Versions/A/Resources/ English.lproj/info.plist.strings Does anyone have any ideas about this? Thanks, Bob Hickey _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… I have no success actually reproducing this problem. If someone has a reproducible case that they can send me their roots for, that would be great. Chris -----Original Message----- From: installer-dev-bounces+steve=equilibrium.com(a)lists.apple.com [mailto:installer-dev-bounces +steve=equilibrium.com(a)lists.apple.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Ryan Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:16 AM To: Bob Hickey Cc: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Subject: Re: Package Maker Weirdness _______________________________________________ This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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RE: Package Maker Weirdness
by Steve Johnson 24 May '05

24 May '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Thread-index: AcVfqojnjI7anNh5Ryq7m3cNh+MOVwA0NJPQ Thread-topic: Package Maker Weirdness I've experienced this problem also. I've noticed two things... If I just kill the process, the package seems to be OK. If I run PackageMaker a second time, it usually completes. Unlike Bob, I have no "deep" paths in my packages. Steve -----Original Message----- From: installer-dev-bounces+steve=equilibrium.com(a)lists.apple.com [mailto:installer-dev-bounces+steve=equilibrium.com@lists.apple.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Ryan Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:16 AM To: Bob Hickey Cc: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Subject: Re: Package Maker Weirdness Can you sample PackageMaker and packagearchiver (if it is running) and send me the output? Thanks, Chris p.s. "sample PackageMaker 5" On May 23, 2005, at 8:08 AM, Bob Hickey wrote: > I am using PackageMaker 1.2 on Mac OS 10.3.7. > > I have an application that needs to have some application framework > files in the bundle. When I try to build the installer, Package > Maker never finishes. (I let in run from one full hour). If I > remove two of the folders inside the bundle, the installer builds > in seconds. > > Both of the folders I remove have folder paths that run deep. For > example: > > Contents/Resources/framework/Versions/A/Resources/info.plist > Contents/Frameworks/LicenseFramework/Versions/A/Resources/ > English.lproj/info.plist.strings > > Does anyone have any ideas about this? > > Thanks, > Bob Hickey > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/ryanc%40apple.com > > This email sent to ryanc(a)apple.com > _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/steve%40equilibrium .com This email sent to steve(a)equilibrium.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Package Maker Weirdness
by Christopher Ryan 23 May '05

23 May '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Thanks, Chris p.s. "sample PackageMaker 5" On May 23, 2005, at 8:08 AM, Bob Hickey wrote: I am using PackageMaker 1.2 on Mac OS 10.3.7. Does anyone have any ideas about this? Thanks, Bob Hickey _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/ryanc%40apple.com This email sent to ryanc(a)apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Can you sample PackageMaker and packagearchiver (if it is running) and send me the output? I have an application that needs to have some application framework files in the bundle. When I try to build the installer, Package Maker never finishes. (I let in run from one full hour). If I remove two of the folders inside the bundle, the installer builds in seconds. Both of the folders I remove have folder paths that run deep. For example: Contents/Resources/framework/Versions/A/Resources/info.plist Contents/Frameworks/LicenseFramework/Versions/A/Resources/ English.lproj/info.plist.strings This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Package Maker Weirdness
by Bob Hickey 23 May '05

23 May '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Thread-index: AcVfUBxDt5C9mUxgQgycm1PT3fhtUQAWCW3g Thread-topic: Package Maker Weirdness I am using PackageMaker 1.2 on Mac OS 10.3.7. I have an application that needs to have some application framework files in the bundle. When I try to build the installer, Package Maker never finishes. (I let in run from one full hour). If I remove two of the folders inside the bundle, the installer builds in seconds. Both of the folders I remove have folder paths that run deep. For example: Contents/Resources/framework/Versions/A/Resources/info.plist Contents/Frameworks/LicenseFramework/Versions/A/Resources/English.lproj/info.plist.strings Does anyone have any ideas about this? Thanks, Bob Hickey _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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10.4.1 Server Update Install
by Joshua Durham 23 May '05

23 May '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Thanks! - Josh _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com I was reviewing the release notes for the 10.4.1 Server Update (at http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301518) and I noticed the following: "This update can be installed on non-startup volumes, but you should only do this if the current startup volume has already been updated to Mac OS X Server 10.4.1. The simplest way to avoid issues from an improper installation is to start up from the volume that you wish to update." Does anyone know what this requirement is about? Can installing from Max OS X 10.4.1 (non-server) also work? smime.p7s

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