May 2007 - Installer-dev - lists.apple.com

Re: Auto-launch Installer From dmg
by Peter Bierman 18 May '07

18 May '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com -pmb -- m On 18 May, 2007, at 16:55, Peter Bierman wrote: -pmb -- mikey On 18 May, 2007, at 14:17, Chris Cooksey wrote: One of the images contains only the .pkg file. The other image contains other files in addition to the .pkg file. Other than that, I can see no significant difference. Is the presence of the other files preventing the auto-launch of the Installer? If so, is there a way to work around that? _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/bierman%40apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… It will not launch Jim Bob's XYZ Installer, it will only launch Apple's Installer.app. Hopefully the standard Installer.app either looks familiar, or is self-explanatory enough not to frighten users. I think the Installer's UI is pretty clear, but I agree that it's possible to construct web pages that trigger this behavior unexpectedly. In that case, the user needs to decide for themselves if they really want to step through some mysterious installer package that they weren't expecting. At 5:14 PM -0400 5/18/07, Michael Watson wrote: I didn't say it was dangerous, but because it's so non-standard that it really feels a bit unsettling to a lot of users. Click a link and a program you've never seen before launches? At least you're used to Mail jumping to the front--after all, you're familiar with Mail. But if you've never used Jim Bob's XYZ Installer before, that might feel pretty foreign. Just thoughts and observations from doing customer support with things like installers and disk images. Actually, we've gone to great lengths to make sure that's safe. In some configurations, it's possible to click on a link in a web page and have the link open as a new installer window. This isn't any different than clicking on a mailto: link to send an email, or an FTP URL that opens in the Finder. At 3:40 PM -0400 5/18/07, Michael Watson wrote: I can't say I'd ever want to see clicking a link result in the automatic launch of an installer application. Are you sure you honestly want to do this? It's /very/ non-standard and really kind of frightening for end users. When the user clicks on the link in Safari and clicks ok to the security question, both files are downloaded and unzipped, both dmgs are mounted, but only one of them goes on to auto-launch the .pkg in the Installer. This email sent to bierman(a)apple.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Auto-launch Installer From dmg
by Michael Watson 18 May '07

18 May '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com -- m On 18 May, 2007, at 16:55, Peter Bierman wrote: -pmb -- mikey On 18 May, 2007, at 14:17, Chris Cooksey wrote: Is the presence of the other files preventing the auto-launch of the Installer? If so, is there a way to work around that? _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… I didn't say it was dangerous, but because it's so non-standard that it really feels a bit unsettling to a lot of users. Click a link and a program you've never seen before launches? At least you're used to Mail jumping to the front--after all, you're familiar with Mail. But if you've never used Jim Bob's XYZ Installer before, that might feel pretty foreign. Just thoughts and observations from doing customer support with things like installers and disk images. Actually, we've gone to great lengths to make sure that's safe. In some configurations, it's possible to click on a link in a web page and have the link open as a new installer window. This isn't any different than clicking on a mailto: link to send an email, or an FTP URL that opens in the Finder. At 3:40 PM -0400 5/18/07, Michael Watson wrote: I can't say I'd ever want to see clicking a link result in the automatic launch of an installer application. Are you sure you honestly want to do this? It's /very/ non- standard and really kind of frightening for end users. When the user clicks on the link in Safari and clicks ok to the security question, both files are downloaded and unzipped, both dmgs are mounted, but only one of them goes on to auto-launch the .pkg in the Installer. One of the images contains only the .pkg file. The other image contains other files in addition to the .pkg file. Other than that, I can see no significant difference. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/bierman% 40apple.com This email sent to bierman(a)apple.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Auto-launch Installer From dmg
by Michael Watson 18 May '07

18 May '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Argh, more braindeadness from automounting images. Oh well. :-( -- m On 18 May, 2007, at 16:24, Andy Kim wrote: -Andy On May 18, 2007, at 12:40 PM, Michael Watson wrote: -- mikey On 18 May, 2007, at 14:17, Chris Cooksey wrote: Is the presence of the other files preventing the auto-launch of the Installer? If so, is there a way to work around that? _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Actually auto-launching a .pkg inside a .dmg is Safari's default behavior. I can't say I'd ever want to see clicking a link result in the automatic launch of an installer application. Are you sure you honestly want to do this? It's /very/ non- standard and really kind of frightening for end users. When the user clicks on the link in Safari and clicks ok to the security question, both files are downloaded and unzipped, both dmgs are mounted, but only one of them goes on to auto-launch the .pkg in the Installer. One of the images contains only the .pkg file. The other image contains other files in addition to the .pkg file. Other than that, I can see no significant difference. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/andyk% 40mxplay.com This email sent to andyk(a)mxplay.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Auto-launch Installer From dmg
by Peter Bierman 18 May '07

18 May '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com -pmb -- mikey On 18 May, 2007, at 14:17, Chris Cooksey wrote: When the user clicks on the link in Safari and clicks ok to the security question, both files are downloaded and unzipped, both dmgs are mounted, but only one of them goes on to auto-launch the .pkg in the Installer. One of the images contains only the .pkg file. The other image contains other files in addition to the .pkg file. Other than that, I can see no significant difference. Is the presence of the other files preventing the auto-launch of the Installer? If so, is there a way to work around that? _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/bierman%40apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Actually, we've gone to great lengths to make sure that's safe. In some configurations, it's possible to click on a link in a web page and have the link open as a new installer window. This isn't any different than clicking on a mailto: link to send an email, or an FTP URL that opens in the Finder. At 3:40 PM -0400 5/18/07, Michael Watson wrote: I can't say I'd ever want to see clicking a link result in the automatic launch of an installer application. Are you sure you honestly want to do this? It's /very/ non-standard and really kind of frightening for end users. This email sent to bierman(a)apple.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Auto-launch Installer From dmg
by Michael Watson 18 May '07

18 May '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com -- mikey On 18 May, 2007, at 14:17, Chris Cooksey wrote: Is the presence of the other files preventing the auto-launch of the Installer? If so, is there a way to work around that? _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… I can't say I'd ever want to see clicking a link result in the automatic launch of an installer application. Are you sure you honestly want to do this? It's /very/ non-standard and really kind of frightening for end users. When the user clicks on the link in Safari and clicks ok to the security question, both files are downloaded and unzipped, both dmgs are mounted, but only one of them goes on to auto-launch the .pkg in the Installer. One of the images contains only the .pkg file. The other image contains other files in addition to the .pkg file. Other than that, I can see no significant difference. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Auto-launch Installer From dmg
by Chris Cooksey 18 May '07

18 May '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=qqCnmc4vRkz4Mz1CJvqwLRAGCGItJj/HnB/hi41QX8OSHLYU3oqqTcUJgeQn/Xx7; h=Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; User-agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.4.4011 I have two different dmgs available for download from the web: installer1.dmg.zip installer2.dmg.zip They both contain Package Maker .pkg files When the user clicks on the link in Safari and clicks ok to the security question, both files are downloaded and unzipped, both dmgs are mounted, but only one of them goes on to auto-launch the .pkg in the Installer. One of the images contains only the .pkg file. The other image contains other files in addition to the .pkg file. Other than that, I can see no significant difference. Is the presence of the other files preventing the auto-launch of the Installer? If so, is there a way to work around that? Thanks, Chris. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Proper permissions magic sauce to get files owned by me owned by my users?
by Paul Miller 18 May '07

18 May '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) -- Paul Miller | paul(a)fxtech.com | www.fxtech.com | Got Tivo? _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… I've got a situation where I have a directory in my installer that gets installed inside an application that I don't distribute. When the application tries to open files in the directory I install, it complains of permissions problems. The weird thing is this works on a couple of my machines, but not one of my users' machines. I need to make sure that the directory (and contents) gets installed with full RW access for everyone on the computer, even though it is getting installed down in the directory hierarchy of a foreign app. What is the proper incantation on my end (via setting permissions on the dirs/files, and flags set in the installer package) to make this happen? Note - I am using Iceberg. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: (no subject)
by Stéphane Sudre 17 May '07

17 May '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com On jeudi, mai 17, 2007, at 09:29 AM, Eric Brod wrote: _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… I have the Leopard install disk 9A410 sent to me by apple. My PowerMac dual G5 boots into the installer just fine so the disc is good. But my PowerBook 800 DVI just hangs when booting from the Disc. Has anybody heard of problems with installing on this hardware or know what the problem could be? [...] NDA [...] Not Public [...] can't be discussed [...] send an e-mail to dts(a)apple.com [...] This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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(no subject)
by Eric Brod 17 May '07

17 May '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com I have the Leopard install disk 9A410 sent to me by apple. My PowerMac dual G5 boots into the installer just fine so the disc is good. But my PowerBook 800 DVI just hangs when booting from the Disc. Has anybody heard of problems with installing on this hardware or know what the problem could be? _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: My Disc 2/Multiple Disc Installs
by Luke Bellandi 16 May '07

16 May '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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