October 2009 - Installer-dev

Re: PackageMaker allow for optional install?
by Brant Sears 06 Oct '09

06 Oct '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com On Oct 6, 2009, at 5:36 PM, Iceberg-Dev wrote: On Oct 6, 2009, at 11:31 PM, Brant Sears wrote: - MacTech had a series of articles on package creations - Mac OS X Deployment v10.5 by Kevin White (PeachPit Press) _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… I know how to do that - but I didn't know you could do it for things that weren't part of your package. This point is critical: At the time I make this installer I won't know what the custom install items are. I'm discovering these on the CD at the time the installer runs. What is this Custom Install mode and where can I learn more about it? WWhen you installed Xcode, you reached the "Installation Type" step in the installation process where you were able to select which optional packages you wanted to install. Some of them were selected by default, others were not. Is it documented anywhere, or where can I find it in the UI? - Apple documentation (on the ADC web site and eventually from the Help Menu of PackageMaker) This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: PackageMaker allow for optional install?
by Iceberg-Dev 06 Oct '09

06 Oct '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding :from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=8xImVTFK3aTqBV21+YdDGlX9NpJT9y31F47p0lEMNO0=; b=LrfijccJOSiNcgrADmWid+cO1vXKizqFTGFB6TOJEl5O7BYDkbGcZ6eL9cl7VeKXvM +Mbr6qzoixP8jZnIp2Ll2LeLtX0i6dO/eqnRDTc93YirAUcRpBe9V803zeXXmIvkT/e7 zH2wftKMwYNNAQIevogIEo9vg+AS0S5Y5CpOU= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc :content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=jaGYxikKn1wLatBNFtfpmeXqFMKlH5qjEr8zAkQ9Kwc0foDI3eH2uKIppbFi40z52b izVIg7AgGdgVQ8hPJ6iwMgcZ9CXglJSWXI5cs3lTM4c0hB4nDSxIlwRsRpwb1wbVN+ps 3feyCKKbLwvLGi+OIrZ1dtkVmH4uqt8kK5QF8= On Oct 6, 2009, at 11:31 PM, Brant Sears wrote: - MacTech had a series of articles on package creations - Mac OS X Deployment v10.5 by Kevin White (PeachPit Press) _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… What is this Custom Install mode and where can I learn more about it? WWhen you installed Xcode, you reached the "Installation Type" step in the installation process where you were able to select which optional packages you wanted to install. Some of them were selected by default, others were not. Is it documented anywhere, or where can I find it in the UI? - Apple documentation (on the ADC web site and eventually from the Help Menu of PackageMaker) This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: PackageMaker allow for optional install?
by Brant Sears 06 Oct '09

06 Oct '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com What is this Custom Install mode and where can I learn more about it? Is it documented anywhere, or where can I find it in the UI? On Oct 6, 2009, at 4:20 PM, Iceberg-Dev wrote: On Oct 6, 2009, at 6:32 PM, Brant Sears wrote: It is possible. This is what the Custom Install mode is all about. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Hi. I've got an unusual situation and I'm trying to figure out if PackageMaker is even capable of doing what I need. My installer needs to check at runtime for other packages that should be installed and needs to allow the user the choice of whether to install these other packages. If it weren't for the requirement of showing the user a gui to allow them to choose which optional packages would get installed, this would be very easy to do from a postflight script. Is this possible in PackageMaker at all? I'm thinking no, but maybe I'm missing some feature? This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Package Maker ownership issues
by Iceberg-Dev 06 Oct '09

06 Oct '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding :from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=AYh7qi44f7n0+vR1UrQsKp7iApHBuUr5PADfJVt2JN0=; b=FM5j9uVq6I3X2YVwa09rPzhs2XOhQVDDNMX3G3qR4/Xl9HUx+ZDCfpmJs/wwo3yRxO T3PhyelxSbWxxGII8Egen7kHVaWUVyR4ZYLQx8YLYjcRQBA/4DnGrt+UmRSyDJCFblbG Y6owHCTfm0FevuRlxTAGtCVvJ911XyalK9548= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc :content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=VcZZ0Iay4U8QLiguPnlHE5HMqWn4IwD1a4aSF1wdo+TFWCSAlqO6+x9GfwH3t4tBCx xHSZVcCcsTNKOzUGtLz7WK4CUTQTB3W1bJyGe/M2H73bIj1hQbkD6eUq3nGjEU2Bvbtr 9ND7Ca+KHTx6vs83RMN0+2pNW7aygmshj5n2w= On Oct 6, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Jakub Bednar wrote: On Oct 5, 2009, at 9:56 PM, Iceberg-Dev wrote: On Oct 5, 2009, at 11:04 AM, Jakub Bednar wrote: On Oct 2, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Greg Neagle wrote: user/group info for filesystem items is _always_ stored as numeric values. When you create your user, specify the UID at that time as well. Well ok, Thanks a lot, Jakub It is supported since you can do it in a package with a script. [...] You are probably right in 99% of the cases. But I'm installing a transparent proxy that needs a unique UID in the system to take advantage of UID matching in firewall rules. Never mind, there are workarounds. I was just wondering why it is not supported. P.S. There is a bunch of Linux/FreeBSD software that is creating new user accounts in the system for their purposes. It is just a normal way of doing things on Linux/FreeBSD. There is also no problem to create an invisible user without home directory and password with the dscl utility, so why not support it in Installers? It's just that it would not be a good idea for the Installer to create a new user account just because there is a file in the package payload whose owner does not exist on the target system. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: PackageMaker allow for optional install?
by Iceberg-Dev 06 Oct '09

06 Oct '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding :from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=mBVTBVLLUcc1yWQKCZJWbvWskQ57thTR5scZdNgk9sI=; b=UTaf/8tP4c4ASxwQlgGin7108FrygWF6y72LinWGKyQIc6YJGF/07c4uYa7gbrEmTs UfKuQ1mxIkuCmQUeeiGxp5AKkpjfuIUE2w9IINKito1Zer5n6moiR2dD3e087EnOh478 frA0gCjbWz6oESR43RoxJ9b/mdDlhbDaGbPiU= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc :content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=WjxobM6ZGWzAKDQuGmLFN8EtK23EZUbIyxt4giOzfsHBD81o3wjV3TBBFfZgIB6kvB LdQyQHlQrr65CSZjame67Cx50A0aBx0X0U/6c+gA/IXYpvwEawFDfLOSD9y2WjeHryuP psfpwxOWiX5nSdP1M+hQ/JIr532zqRbgyBg78= On Oct 6, 2009, at 6:32 PM, Brant Sears wrote: It is possible. This is what the Custom Install mode is all about. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Hi. I've got an unusual situation and I'm trying to figure out if PackageMaker is even capable of doing what I need. My installer needs to check at runtime for other packages that should be installed and needs to allow the user the choice of whether to install these other packages. If it weren't for the requirement of showing the user a gui to allow them to choose which optional packages would get installed, this would be very easy to do from a postflight script. Is this possible in PackageMaker at all? I'm thinking no, but maybe I'm missing some feature? This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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PackageMaker allow for optional install?
by Brant Sears 06 Oct '09

06 Oct '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Thanks. Brant Sears _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Hi. I've got an unusual situation and I'm trying to figure out if PackageMaker is even capable of doing what I need. My installer needs to check at runtime for other packages that should be installed and needs to allow the user the choice of whether to install these other packages. If it weren't for the requirement of showing the user a gui to allow them to choose which optional packages would get installed, this would be very easy to do from a postflight script. Is this possible in PackageMaker at all? I'm thinking no, but maybe I'm missing some feature? This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Package Maker ownership issues
by Jakub Bednar 06 Oct '09

06 Oct '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com On Oct 5, 2009, at 9:56 PM, Iceberg-Dev wrote: On Oct 5, 2009, at 11:04 AM, Jakub Bednar wrote: On Oct 2, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Greg Neagle wrote: user/group info for filesystem items is _always_ stored as numeric values. When you create your user, specify the UID at that time as well. Hi Greg, I was thinking about this in the first place, but I don't think it is a correct solution, as there is no guarantee that the UID is not already taken on target system. That's why I think it should be possible to specify the user/group by names. If there is no such user or group on the system, the installation will fail, so it is the responsibility of the installer to create such user/group. Actually I think there should be 3 ways of specifying ownership: 1. UID/GID number, installed software will be owned by exactly this user/group. (good for well known users/groups: root, admin, wheel) 2. user/group name, installed software will be owned by user/group specified by this name. (good for newly created users/groups by the installation process) 3. no user/group specified, meaning that the files should be owned by user/group running the installer. You really don't even want to think about it: - Considering that there were/are a bunch of packages being distributed with uid/gid set to 501 (or 502), millions of users will end up with new user accounts. - An installer that creates users/groups during installation is probably a potential security risk in most of the cases. - It's not the job of the installer to second-guess the package and payload contents. Well ok, Thanks a lot, Jakub _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/jakub.bednar%40avg.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… You are probably right in 99% of the cases. But I'm installing a transparent proxy that needs a unique UID in the system to take advantage of UID matching in firewall rules. Never mind, there are workarounds. I was just wondering why it is not supported. P.S. There is a bunch of Linux/FreeBSD software that is creating new user accounts in the system for their purposes. It is just a normal way of doing things on Linux/FreeBSD. There is also no problem to create an invisible user without home directory and password with the dscl utility, so why not support it in Installers? This email sent to jakub.bednar(a)avg.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Iceberg Control Tower?
by John Proctor 06 Oct '09

06 Oct '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Thanks, John. On 5 Oct 2009, at 20:58, Iceberg-Dev wrote: Next step is to check: - if the IcebergControlTower process is running On Oct 5, 2009, at 9:18 AM, John Proctor wrote: John. On 4 Oct 2009, at 21:49, Iceberg-Dev wrote: On Oct 4, 2009, at 5:40 PM, John Proctor wrote: Hi All, "No Signal from Iceberg Control Tower Hi, check the following points: _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… -The IcebergControlTower process is not running (it is not in the list displayed by "ps -ef | grep Iceberg" -There is no crash logged for IcebergControlTower. The only references I found to Iceberg in any of the logs were these, found in the system log: Oct 4 13:25:56 john-proctors-macbook fseventsd[34]: could not open <</ Volumes/Iceberg 1.2.7/.fseventsd/fseventsd-uuid>> (No such file or directory) Oct 4 13:25:56 john-proctors-macbook fseventsd[34]: log dir: /Volumes/ Iceberg 1.2.7/.fseventsd getting new uuid: 48315CE3-1864-402F-8CCE- F4D71A0591D8 Oct 5 20:49:42 john-proctors-macbook Iceberg[242]: *** WARNING: Method selectedRowEnumerator in class PBOutlineView is deprecated. It will be removed in a future release and should no longer be used. -I tried starting the IcebergControlTower process myself by typing "./ IcebergControlTowerTool &" in the terminal and that seemed to work but now my project that previously built without any problem fails to build with the following error: "Creating Info.plist file: Missing information (CFBundleIdentifier)". - if there is a crash of the IcebergControlTower process logged in Console.app. Thanks for the quick response. All of those things appear to be the case. There is slight difference in file datestamps (see below). The problem still seems to be persisting. total 584 drwxr-xr-x 6 root wheel 204 4 Oct 13:26 . drwxr-xr-x 7 root wheel 238 10 Nov 2009 .. -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 231416 7 May 22:05 IcebergBuilder -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 238 10 Jul 2004 IcebergControlTower -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 56452 2 Jun 2006 IcebergControlTowerTool -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 284 10 Jul 2004 StartupParameters.plist 92:IcebergControlTower john$ I don't know if this is the right place to ask this but there doesn't seem to be anywhere else to ask Iceberg-related questions. The problem I am having is that when I try to start a build in Iceberg it displays a message box containing the text: The Iceberg Control Tower is not responding. Iceberg can't build any project when this Daemon is not running." Has anyone else ever seen this message before? If so, what did you do to fix it? This is the first time I have used my Iceberg installation since I upgraded from Leopard to Snow Leopard and I don't know if that has anything to do with it. I was using version 1.2.4 but I tried updating to the latest version (1.2.7) and rebooting after I saw this message and it did not make any difference. [ ] /Library/StartUpItems exists and its permissions are root:wheel 755 [ ] /Library/StartUpItems/IcebergControlTower exists and its permissions are root:wheel 755 [ ] The contents of /Library/StartUpItems/IcebergControlTower looks like this (components and permissions): total 584 drwxr-xr-x 6 root wheel 204 May 7 23:06 . drwxr-xr-x 6 root wheel 204 Apr 9 00:38 .. -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 231416 May 7 23:05 IcebergBuilder -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 238 Jul 10 2004 IcebergControlTower -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 56452 Jun 2 2006 IcebergControlTowerTool -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 284 Jul 10 2004 StartupParameters.plist This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: installation software
by Nava Carmon 05 Oct '09

05 Oct '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Thanks again. On Oct 6, 2009, at 12:01 AM, Iceberg-Dev wrote: On Oct 5, 2009, at 11:58 PM, Nava Carmon wrote: the target of the project is 10.5, there is no higher in PM options. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Actually that's what was my intention in the first place - to prevent user from the need to make a choice, but I acted upon the PM tutorial, they present things different : they say there, that requirements being evaluated only in case of custom installation, so i even didn't try to build it as easy install. I definitely will try your advice. Thank you for answering, I just want to be sure, now I have an install script with 2 choices: snow leopard choice requirement asks for the target OS >= 10.6 leopard choice requirement asks for the target OS < 10.6 If I create an easy install with such a configuration, it will install show version on snow leopard and leopard version on leopard? I thought PM can provide requirements for choices only in case of custom installation. Please confirm. If this the case, that I just have missed the point... I have a working installer with choices and custom installation type, but never tried to build it as easy install only Thanks a lot! AFAIK, when you enable the Easy/Standard Install only option, it is just a UI trick to prevent the user from accessing the Custom Install mode. It does not prevent requirements from being evaluated. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: installation software
by Iceberg-Dev 05 Oct '09

05 Oct '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding :from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=7Qp8zfzaE59ZtTXpHRrPuuY4TWVaNrX0Sv6ZhwkUCyg=; b=wEy7GRK4xeWScopttRpJ84ngO/+629sI8mel2Lf08R8cJ6aUppdX8k+rDkCnOZsmVR TWOu2UpzgfpXueJPCa7csFu8Yb4B6EA+5dLoUkTbagEh8q7NTh79Tm4uJJa+hHsdFZhm GO6tgwFTbrfE2mia775nEpE1qlHQYwCAMGOWM= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc :content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=K6gyr7HXL5MULnyjvqa/0nvwhjMQCZaa1yzt1SpHVzVlHFdIPx2nkTEnheSwGHGwxs KWVFVPzQv4I22pQOrD/97ib0n+64KrJWQNLY4IbUKkZzRbQAs4qWKqBNNxD9l2nNe3xp MBWlrIAdBNt8EVXCt65tmKxG3VoYY8yGf9sig= On Oct 5, 2009, at 11:58 PM, Nava Carmon wrote: the target of the project is 10.5, there is no higher in PM options. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Thank you for answering, I just want to be sure, now I have an install script with 2 choices: snow leopard choice requirement asks for the target OS >= 10.6 leopard choice requirement asks for the target OS < 10.6 If I create an easy install with such a configuration, it will install show version on snow leopard and leopard version on leopard? I thought PM can provide requirements for choices only in case of custom installation. Please confirm. If this the case, that I just have missed the point... I have a working installer with choices and custom installation type, but never tried to build it as easy install only Thanks a lot! AFAIK, when you enable the Easy/Standard Install only option, it is just a UI trick to prevent the user from accessing the Custom Install mode. It does not prevent requirements from being evaluated. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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