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Re: [OFF] Localisation (was Re: Security Framework: authorization rights.)
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Re: [OFF] Localisation (was Re: Security Framework: authorization rights.)


  • Subject: Re: [OFF] Localisation (was Re: Security Framework: authorization rights.)
  • From: Wade Tregaskis <email@hidden>
  • Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:30:45 +1100

Now, you can extend this further, although it becomes arguable. Since Australian & UK English are largely the same, and since UK English is by definition *the* English, you should probably put them into "en" rather than waste space having two dialects which are for the vast majority of cases identical. Any US specific strings can then go into "en_US". So this way you conserve space, while catering for all the major groups I can think of.

The default locale on Mac OS X is US English.

The default locale can indeed be US English if Apple want. It could be ancient Hebrew, or Mandarin, or whatever else. It doesn't change the fact that people are improperly classifying their localisations, and that's creating problems. To exaggerate the problem, imagine if I slipped in French words into "en" just because I were a French speaker and I couldn't be bothered doing a full translation. It's obviously wrong. I should only provide "fr", no "en", and leave it at that.

Mac OS X is not localised into other English "dialects".

That would be fine, except that it doesn't work that way. There is a category "en_US"; thus even Apple are acknowledging that US English is a particular dialect of "plain" English. So there's no reason for people to not use "en_US" where they're presently [incorrectly] using "en". As I've said, it's easy to forgive developers who just don't realise, or newbies who aren't at this stage yet, but it's much harder to forgive people who are doing the wrong thing when they do know better. Or worse, trying to defend it.

If you want to see other locales supported, by all means file an enhancement request.

If I had any faith that it would change anything, I might. So I won't.*

End of discussion as far as this list is concerned.

I believe the discussion will end when it becomes truly off topic, a flame war, or both sides run out of original points to put forward. I presume you are of the latter. I too think I have presented all I have to say. So far as I can tell, the argument boils down to a series of rational & technical points about why the existing system is wrong, and you [along with a few others] calling me names and asserting that it's good enough for you. Funny about that, given you're the one being favoured** by the problem.

Wade Tregaskis
-- Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

* = Actually, I've filled several bug reports about various apps in past, many of them Apple's, but of course they've all been received by arrogant US developers, who've dismissed them in various erroneous ways.

** = That's the third time today I've told Mail to learn "favoured". Yet every single time I relaunch it, it forgets. Perhaps Mail doesn't in fact save changes permanently to the system dictionary - I must check with some other random words.
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