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Re: Cocoa/Windows parallel dvlpmt
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Re: Cocoa/Windows parallel dvlpmt


  • Subject: Re: Cocoa/Windows parallel dvlpmt
  • From: Gregory John Casamento <email@hidden>
  • Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 21:31:42 -0800 (PST)

--- Florent Pillet <email@hidden> wrote:
> On 4 fivr. 04, at 15:42, Philip Mvtteli wrote:
>
> >> I'd go farther than that.
> >
> > Could you please repeat that and send a copy to P. C. D. Robert? I
> > can't remember all the names, that already publically said, that they
> > are interested in a Windows port of GS. But it needs to be more
> > evolved. P.C.D. Robert seems to constantly censore such statements.
> > Perhaps we have to make a mail bomb that it gets into his mail box?
>
> There is no need for a mail bomb. Philippe may not see the point in a
> good Windows port of GNUStep, but maybe he is ignoring the large number
> of Mac OS X developers who are starving for a Cocoa equivalent on
> Windows.
>
> Now there are a few things about GS that need to be very clear:
>
> - NeXT having been absorbed by Apple (though some will say that it
> happened the other way round :-)), the new baseline OpenStep APIs are
> Cocoa. Any attempt to ignore this fact will lead to Cocoa developers
> turning away from GNUStep. Let me repeat that: OpenStep is history.
> Cocoa is the new specification. Hence, GS should at least provide the
> equivalence to the N-1 version of Cococa (ie currently offer the set of
> APIs that were in Jaguar would be deemed acceptable by developers).

Agree 110%.

> - A Windows port would be the major selling point for most Cocoa
> developers. Especially the ones who develop Cocoa applications for a
> living. I would classify the interest in porting applications to Linux
> as marginal right now, though Linux compatibility would be a good side
> effect of people using GS to port to Windows.

Difficult to do, but agreed.

> - To get more developers on the project, people who know the project
> intimately need to produce some architectural documents and at least a
> pretty exhaustive document that lists what works, what doesn't, class
> by class and method by method. This is about the only efficient way
> someone (like me, for example) could dive into GS and say "ok I need to
> implement this to get my stuff to work".

A very true statement. Documentation is essential.

> - I think that the look and feel issue needn't to be overlooked. As
> Alex mentioned it, people must overcome their own personal taste and
> realize that in any given platform, the only acceptable way of
> displaying the UI is by respecting the platform look and feel.

We must get GNUstep at least *working* on Windows before making the necessary
changes to make it UI friendly.

Stability first, beauty second.

> - Finally, I think that some effort should be done towards a less
> emotional communication. I can frankly say that reading long flaming
> threads between people in the discuss-gnustep archives is something
> that makes one colder about helping the project...

Very true. We've had a few of those lately.

> Florent
>

Later, GJC

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