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  • Subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_Disabling_Expos =E9_for_some_windows,_some_da y?= =3 F
  • From: Glen Simmons <email@hidden>
  • Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:43:40 -0600

Ah, I misunderstood what you were doing. In the case of a "window" that replaces the desktop picture, I can see the usefulness of being excluded from Exposi. My concern is that developers would start having their normal windows excluded. I'm not sure how to allow your special case without the danger of others abusing it.

Glen

On Jan 26, 2004, at 10:09 AM, Yann Bizeul wrote:

Hi think you're right, and this is apple is thinking.

By the way, I do not agree with you, If Apple think that the dock should not be exposed, then they have to understand that some developers extanding the features of MacOS X would like the same thing. I hope developers are smart enough to use this feature when it should be.
In my case, as I said, GeekTool displays log in the background, those are not regular window, they display informations on the desktop, that should *stay* on the desktop. GeekTool's users would like to use "show desktop" exposi key/shortcut to see what is displaying GeekTool.

By the way, thank you for your point of view.

Regards,

Le 26 janv. 04, ` 16:25, Glen Simmons a icrit :

Personally, I don't think Apple should provide the API you are requesting, and I hope a "hack or something to provide this 'feature' " can't be found. I would bet there would be quite a few developers that would feel that their app is special and their windows shouldn't be affected. Suddenly, Exposi isn't very useful anymore because only half the windows move out of the way when I press F11 and I still can't see my desktop. I press F9, but some of the windows didn't shrink, so I can't see them all, so this feature is useless. Exposi is a system level function. It shouldn't be affected by an application.

I really don't see why it's a problem for your "preference pane to display log files or pictures on the desktop" to be affected by Exposi. I mean, Exposi is a temporary state, it's not intended to be used continuously.

Respectfully,
Glen Simmons

On Jan 25, 2004, at 1:21 PM, Yann Bizeul wrote:

Hi list

Panther is there for three months now, and developer are still waiting for a way to disable Exposi for some windows...
This does not seem to be difficult to provide a window property to handle this. Am i wrong ?
I'm the developer of GeekTool (http://projects.tynsoe.org/geektool/), a preference pane to display log files or pictures on the desktop, and many people write to me asking to not hide GeekTool when Exposi is activated. All I can do is answer that, for obscure reasons, Apple does not want this to be publicly available, so I'm waiting for a hack or something to provide this "feature". Same thing for NSMenuExtras not available to mortal developers, we have to use things like MenuCracker...

So if somebody have informations about this, please inform us !

Regards,
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