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Re: "untitled" vs "Untitled"
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Re: "untitled" vs "Untitled"


  • Subject: Re: "untitled" vs "Untitled"
  • From: "Brian K." <email@hidden>
  • Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:54:27 -0400

So it's true then? Engineering has taken over user experience/ interface design at Apple these days? [...]

In any case, I believe that common title capitalization conventions (e.g. as in the Chicago Manual of Style <http:// www.chicagomanualofstyle.org>) are behind this particular guideline. That's why a capitalized "Untitled" looks like a title, whereas "untitled" does not. In English anyway. Turkish too, I might add. ;)

Exactly! ^_^

Alright, I'm going to point out the elegant simplicity of this semi- verbosely:

If something is titled, title case is appropriate for the text, because it is titled.
If something is untitled, then it is not titled; title case is inappropriate as it is not a title and therefore should not be in case which belongs to and is intended for titling.


That's it. Why should an untitled thing use title case? It shouldn't---it's *untitled* for goodness sakes! The pseudo-title of "untitled" just reinforces this on multiple levels.

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Now, anyone wants to read any more commentary (doubtful)...

Ali may know "NeXT," and I respect that, but the Mac is a different animal. It is now a "Mac OS" after all, but that's really not my point. Does that mean every aspect of the classical Mac OS? No...hardly. What it does mean is that it should share the best of both. In this case, this is an example of a "best" that existed and still exists Mac side, as far as I'm concerned.

Both operating environments had excellent design, behavior, workflow aspects to contribute to each other; all of which should culminate in Mac OS X.

It's really about looking at the design itself and its PURPOSE. By comparison to the other aspects of both operating environments, this is really one design detail that fits very well and WITHOUT ANY design conflict in the resulting OS, as far as I'm concerned.

This is not just a superficial appearance issue, this is a core humane interface issue, and I don't think I need to address how humans communicate, all the details and psychological implications of communication within the modern human population for various languages, the differing and similar aspects in respect to this in regions upon this planet, and how localizations in computer software are specifically inclined to allow for this kind of catering for detail.

Signing off on this way-off-topic thread (and refusing to reply to the mailing list for this thread after this message),
Brian
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