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Re: Garbage collector vs variable lifetime
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Re: Garbage collector vs variable lifetime


  • Subject: Re: Garbage collector vs variable lifetime
  • From: Antonio Nunes <email@hidden>
  • Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 12:54:32 +0100

On 9 Jun 2008, at 00:53, Chris Kane wrote:

On 7 Jun 2008, at 09:07, Antonio Nunes wrote:
On 7 Jun 2008, at 06:16, Ken Thomases wrote:
The issue is, how can one know when this technique is necessary?

By proper documentation. As Bill mentioned earlier, the documentation needs to mention this behaviour. Just as retain/ release, GC has its own caveats, it's own moments where one has to take special care. This appears to be one of them. If I read Bill's explanation correctly then once the documentation gets updated and distributed anyone can know when this technique is necessary (as long as they know what they're doing, which goes for anything in programming).

<sarcasm>Oh, yes, it's just that simple.</sarcasm> Even understanding the potential does not necessarily lead to recognizing when special action needs to be taken. In amongst the hundred other things you have to keep in mind as you write a method, there will also be, "let's see, is this the last use of this object in this 100- line method? <scroll, scroll> Hmm, yes, it appears so. Let's see, do I need to take any special actions ...? OK, now what about this next object ...?" etc. And what about code which already exists, such as "millions" of lines of Cocoa/ObjC code in the OS frameworks? Somebody has gone over years of accummulated "optimized" code with a fine-tooth comb to find such things? I'll say no more; these are just hypothetical statements pointing out the shallowness of a "documentation bandaid" approach.

The question was: How _can_ one know: Having this documented enables people to know this is something to be on the lookout for. Of course the fact that something is documented doesn't imply that we won't miss these caveats. We make mistakes all over the place. But we can't look out for what we don't know. So let me put it like this: documentation is the first step.


(By the way, and because of the recent flames against Apple's documentation: I think Apple are doing a great job, and constantly trying to improve upon what they have to offer.)

It'd be much better if the tools could warn you about such things in the source code. Or something.

That would indeed be most useful. Or something ;-)

António

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 >Garbage collector vs variable lifetime (From: Quincey Morris <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Garbage collector vs variable lifetime (From: Bill Bumgarner <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Garbage collector vs variable lifetime (From: Ricky Sharp <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Garbage collector vs variable lifetime (From: Bill Bumgarner <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Garbage collector vs variable lifetime (From: Antonio Nunes <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Garbage collector vs variable lifetime (From: Ken Thomases <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Garbage collector vs variable lifetime (From: Bill Bumgarner <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Garbage collector vs variable lifetime (From: Ken Thomases <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Garbage collector vs variable lifetime (From: "Michael Ash" <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Garbage collector vs variable lifetime (From: "Hamish Allan" <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Garbage collector vs variable lifetime (From: "Michael Ash" <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Garbage collector vs variable lifetime (From: Ricky Sharp <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Garbage collector vs variable lifetime (From: Chris Kane <email@hidden>)

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