Re: Monitor to monitors displaying the same image- or digital B&W...
Re: Monitor to monitors displaying the same image- or digital B&W...
- Subject: Re: Monitor to monitors displaying the same image- or digital B&W...
- From: "Farnau, Ryan" <email@hidden>
- Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:21:48 -0700
- Thread-topic: Monitor to monitors displaying the same image- or digital B&W...
Thanks for the responses...I'm aware of all the techniques mentioned. I've
been going back and forth between testing custom icc output profiles for
monochromatic output as well as the Advanced Black and White driver. Just
trying to find logical, rational- I guess "teachable" method.
as Andrew said...
> For fully color management soft proofing? Not really until such a time that
> Jeff Schewe can develop more custom profiles for use in just soft proofing.
> The Advanced B&W expects the data in the RGB working space and of course,
> there's no output profile that reflects what you'll get there...
For this very reason...digital black and white printing- in a way - has
stayed true to many of the printing considerations from the "traditional"
darkroom. Anybody remember a cocktail of SeleKtol and Dektol...oh, those
were the days...In any case, digital black and white has been a "can of
worms" in terms of relaying principles taught in more controlled color
printing- simply because, as we've said, there are numerous roads- most of
which lead through many proofs.
I have advocated using our custom icc profiles and the exact techniques of
"color" workflow for monochromatic printing- but the complaints there deal
with color casts and often metamerism - depending on media type and ink set.
Though I will say, that the K3 inks produce very little of these issues as
opposed to first gen Pigment or Ultrachrome in sets.
On 7/16/07 12:29 PM, "Andrew Rodney" <email@hidden> wrote:
> On 7/16/07 1:11 PM, "Farnau, Ryan" wrote:
>
>> Any advice as to how to set up work flow using the Advanced Black and White
>> driver?
>
> For fully color management soft proofing? Not really until such a time that
> Jeff Schewe can develop more custom profiles for use in just soft proofing.
> The Advanced B&W expects the data in the RGB working space and of course,
> there's no output profile that reflects what you'll get there. You'll even
> notice that when using the toning controls, you have to view one of Greg
> Gorman's images in the driver to visually set the sliders. This is an OS
> limitation according to Epson, they can't show you, your image there.
>
> Of course you could bypass this and convert the images in Photoshop proper,
> then just use your output profiles (Epson¹s which are quite good or custom
> profiles you build). You'd be able to tone the prints, setup a soft proof
> using the ICC profiles and then bypass the Advanced B&W area of the driver
> all together.
>
>> Do you use any sort of "Russel Brown" technique for
>> going to monochromatic before output? Is it necessary?
>
> There are a zillion ways to do this. I like Russell's dual Hue/Sat technique
> a lot. I've been doing all my conversions either in Lightroom or using
> PhotoKit which I will not further discuss since I have an one of the authors
> (so I am prejudiced to this product because a group of us built it for our
> needs and I don't, like others who post to the list, wish to discuss any
> commercial products of which I have an interest).
>
> If you want to have a lot of control and twiddle lots of controls, I'm a big
> fan of either Russell's technique or the one Greg Gorman's retoucher came up
> with (its described somewhere on http://greggormanphotography.com/). I'm
> lazy and like to just push a button so I use that 'other' product mentioned
> earlier.
>
> At such a point that you have an RGB monochrome or toned image, just use the
> output profile as you would with a full color image. You can soft proof,
> toggle rendering intents etc. You're going to bypass the Advanced B&W option
> in the Epson driver of course.
>
>> I as many on this forum, am impressed with the response of the K3
>> ink set - Enough so that I'm working through the idea of building our first
>> full Digital Black and White printing course. Any thoughts on the process
>> would be greatly appreciated.
>
> One fellow I'd ping is Mac Holbert at Nash Editions! Shoot me an email off
> list if you need his email or just go to http://www.nasheditions.com/
>
> Andrew Rodney
> http://www.digitaldog.net/
>
>
>
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