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Re: user obstacles to WOLips adoption (was: Apple's Support of WebObjects)
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Re: user obstacles to WOLips adoption (was: Apple's Support of WebObjects)


  • Subject: Re: user obstacles to WOLips adoption (was: Apple's Support of WebObjects)
  • From: Robert Walker <email@hidden>
  • Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 09:24:48 -0400

Ashley,

I hate to break it to you, but along with the deprecation of the Xcode based tools, comes the deprecation of D2JC (and also non-direct to Java Client as well).

Again as mentioned in some previous posts, this was pure conjecture.  It's really unclear whether or not this is true, and I don't believe any public statement exists to clarify this.  Maybe we'll know more after WWDC this year.  I'm not "in the know" on this issue.  I apologize  for the poor wording in my original post.

InterfaceBuilder was never a good tool for building Java GUIs, and it amazed me (in a weird way) that they could even, or would want to, do it.  There are plenty of other tools for building GUIs in Java that would work with JavaClient.

Here I was referring to JavaClient as implemented in WO/EOF.  That is to say by distributing objects between the server and client though the EO distribution channel, and using IB to create Swing interfaces by translating Cocoa UI components.  This includes the binding technology used in IB to build these interfaces.  This was, sort of, a leftover from before WO was converted to Java.  IB was the tool to write client-side applications that were written in Obj-C using a form of binding technology.  The only way to make this work in Java was to translate some portion of the Cocoa controls to Swing using the Cocoa-Java bridge.  I did not intend to refer to pure Java Swing development.

On May 9, 2007, at 11:30 PM, Ashley Aitken wrote:


Hi All,

On 09/05/2007, at 9:14 AM, Robert Walker wrote:

At least that's my understanding.  I could be wrong about that.  But, I'm pretty certain that being able to create Java Client applications with custom interfaces using Interface Builder has no future.

I believe David (correct me if I am wrong) was not referring to using InterfaceBuilder but the ability for D2JC to automagically build an entire Java thick client without any coding - this still blows my mind!

InterfaceBuilder was never a good tool for building Java GUIs, and it amazed me (in a weird way) that they could even, or would want to, do it.  There are plenty of other tools for building GUIs in Java that would work with JavaClient.

I hate to break it to you, but along with the deprecation of the Xcode based tools, comes the deprecation of D2JC (and also non-direct to Java Client as well).

Now with regards to the underlying technologies, that may be true, can someone confirm this?  JavaClient and D2JC never really took off, I believe, mostly because it was way ahead of its time (like WO was too).

Just wait though, rich clients are the hot topic at the moment in the Enterprise world, and soon they will realise its a bonus to be able to do real client-side business processing (a la JavaClient).

It seems, Apple innovates and tries to lead developers who (generally speaking) have a hard time keeping up.  Whereas, Microsoft only goes where it gets pulled by the market (although things are changing with .Net).

Cheers,
Ashley.

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 >Re: user obstacles to WOLips adoption (was: Apple's Support of WebObjects) (From: David Avendasora <email@hidden>)
 >Re: user obstacles to WOLips adoption (was: Apple's Support of WebObjects) (From: Robert Walker <email@hidden>)
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