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Re: [OT] JS/AJAX toolkits evaluation
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Re: [OT] JS/AJAX toolkits evaluation


  • Subject: Re: [OT] JS/AJAX toolkits evaluation
  • From: Q <email@hidden>
  • Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 09:21:59 +1000


On 24/05/2007, at 12:48 AM, Miguel Arroz wrote:

Hi!

I'm using an old version of the Wonder AJAX Framework (before it became Wonder!). I'm still using that because I did some modifications (flexibility and security) that I don't want to loose. One day I have to talk to someone to integrate this in Wonder! :)

In the JS side, I'm using Prototype and Scriptaulo, a LOT of code made by me, and a bit of YUI, more exactly, YUI-EXT (for their drag- and-drop tree that is simply amazing). Scriptcaulo has some lame stuff, and many effects do not work correctly in complicated layouts, but it's usable. YUI has very good docs, as mike referred, and has great potential.

YUI-EXT is crazy fast, I am really looking forward to see where YUI goes. I see it as the foundation that some really powerful frameworks will get built on top of.


Anyway, I think many of this libs is still far away from being mature. If you want to do some serious AJAX stuff, get ready to code a lot of JS. And I mean, a lot.

Agreed, there is no real WO of AJAX yet. They are all still in the stone age, something akin to jsp's. They can be made to do good things, but they are a lot of work, and aren't pretty.


Something in between GWT and conventional AJAX frameworks I think will be the sweet spot.

  Yours

Miguel Arroz

On 2007/05/23, at 13:37, Andrus Adamchik wrote:

Sorry for an OT question.

Briefly got out of the black hole of backend development, and into the much-hyped world of dynamic web UI. Need to make a decision on a JavaScript toolkit to do various dynamic widgets for a set of web applications.

A short version of the question: which toolkit? why?


A more long-winded version:

5-6 years ago there was WO and there was JSP/Struts (or EOF vs. EJB, for another absurd comparison). For a person coming to the market with no deep knowledge, it was easy to pick the later over the former, if only because of marketing (or lack of thereof for WO). So now I'd like to avoid picking "JSP of AJAX" so to speak. So ... is there a "WO of AJAX" out there? What are the opinions on the popular and less popular toolkits among the WO community? Dojo, Google, YUI, anything else? Are they even as much different as WO vs. JSP?

I am looking for an ability to do structured coding (as opposed to traditional JS spaghetti), a set of reusable widgets, and ease of integration with Java engines like WO or Tapestry (I know Tapestry 4.1 already bundles Dojo, still wanted to look at other options), ...

Appreciate the insights of the WO community.

Thanks
Andrus


--------------------------------------------- Andrus (aka Andrei) Adamchik Apache Cayenne ORM: http://cayenne.apache.org/ Creator, VP Apache Software Foundation



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