Re: Problems with current Apple X11 package
Re: Problems with current Apple X11 package
- Subject: Re: Problems with current Apple X11 package
- From: magenta <email@hidden>
- Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 22:33:22 -0800
On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 04:06:40PM -0800, Sean Ahern wrote:
> magenta wrote:
> > If you're going to debate what I"m saying, try debating what I'm actually
> > saying.
> > ...
> > I'm not talking about the application developer, I'm talking about the
> > user. Please understand this.
>
> I'm trying... Maybe it's my fault, but apparently I'm having a hard time
> figure out what exactly you're saying. I think it's because you keep using
> the phrase "X11" when you refer to "window managers under X11". I
> interpret "X11" as the entire X Window System. Maybe I shouldn't be doing
> that...
I was meaning X11 as in "the X11 user experience," which (to me) means
"well-behaved applications and the window manager." I could have been
more clear. :)
> I'll be honest, I'm not sure what we're debating about. I think we both
> agree that the X11 environment should provide the user with all the options
> that he might wish to exercize. The choice of window manager should
> provide the required consistency as well as the desired customizability.
Okay then. :)
> Further than that, we also agree that Apple's X server should provide for
> the ability to interact with it in a number of ways that it does not
> currently. It should provide the ability for X windows to be treated all
> as one "layer" in the native windowing environment. It should also provide
> the ability for X windows to be treated as separate "layers".
Yes.
> I'll go further and say that I think it should also honor "strange"
> requests like changing stacking order and warping the mouse. I have seen
> some X servers that only support moving top-level windows by the user
> directly with the mouse. And they ignore XWarpCursor calls. (I have not
> tested these functions with X11.app, so I can't say that there's a problem.
> Just a desire for certain functionality.) Ignoring these requests can
> break certain applications.
I tested it, and no, XWarpCursor doesn't work, which also wreaks havoc with
other things which work based on dragging the mouse around and warping the
cursor back to the original location.
> Oh, did you happen to submit a request for the single "layer" idea to
> Apple's bug tracking database? It's the best way for them to follow this,
> rather than follow our lengthy thread.
Yep.
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