Re: X11 in Leopard: xterm on start-up
Re: X11 in Leopard: xterm on start-up
- Subject: Re: X11 in Leopard: xterm on start-up
- From: lev <email@hidden>
- Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 09:25:26 +0000
Dear All,
I am not a system developer but rather a theoretical physicist working
many years with Linux
(you may not remember this: from the time it was distributed on 10-20
disketes!) and now using a
MAC as my laptop, but what I noticed from all these discussions is very
warring, and I think developers
in Apple must respond to this: _*lack of documentation*_. These
discussions do remind me early years
of Linux when nobody actually knew anything and all was based on guesses
and workarounds.
Are we not supposed to be in a different world by now? Are real
developers responsible for Leopard
reading these emails? Ben - are you the one or you are not employed by
Apple? OS X is based on darwin but I am not sure about
your actual relationship with Apple.
Although the windows system on the MAC is great, I switched to it
because I wanted to run Linux
applications and Office on the same platform without rebooting the
machine. I think Apple underestimates
this kind of people and (like Microsoft) focuses its efforts in
attracting customers running Aqua only.
As a result, there is no clear documentation on the other part of the
system, which for me was the MAIN
part.
Do you agree or this is just a moaning? If I am right , however, isn't
it the time to actually make
a contact with the guys who did all this?
Lev
On Oct 27, 2007, at 4:29 PM, Martin Costabel wrote:
Thus double-clicking X11.app (the one in /Applications/Utilities) is
basically equivalent to running the command "open-x11 xterm" in Tiger.
Your ~/.xinitrc is executed, but only after the xterm command.
On Leopard, you often don't need to start X11.app yourself. Just run
a command like xterm or start an application that needs X11, and X11
will start up automatically.
Thanks. I've been meaning to get some real release notes out there,
but instead, let's have some casual, off the cuff ones!
Biggest architectural change in Leopard for X11: Switched from
XFree86 codebase (based on, IIRC, X11R6.8) to X.org codebase (X11R7.2)
Biggest user-visible change: launchd support for X11. The only
situation where you should need to manually start X11.app is if you
are only running remote X11 applications.
The way that this is accomplished is by some slight-of-hand with the
$DISPLAY variable -- if you look, it should be something like
"/tmp/launch-vbXRyu/:0". If an X client connects to this, it will
actually connect to launchd, which will start Xquartz if needed and
pass the client's socket to the server.
All of that should be invisible to you; the X client library
(libX11.dylib) was modified to support this, and all X11 applications
link against this library. "DISPLAY=:0" would still work if X11.app
is already running, but it will not trigger X11 to launch.
Two biggest bugs:
* Fullscreen support is broken. I know many of you will hate me for
this -- it stopped working when we switched codebases, and I was
unable to get it working again. I'm hoping that some of you
developers may be able to help me us fix this. Until then, those of
you who need this functionality should be able to use the X11 package
from Tiger instead. (Yes, I know you can't officially download that
from www.apple.com -- I would like to see that change and am working
on making that happen; no ETA. You may be able to find a copy of it
lying around somewhere.)
* Do not start X11.app from the Dock. It will do strange things --
you'll get two icons. This is due to the aforementioned "launcher" in
/Applications/Utilities/X11.app not being the same as the real server,
which is now located at /usr/X11/X11.app.
I sincerely hope that you all will like the new X server -- while it
may look the same, it's based a much more modern codebase, and I hope
to be able to facilitate more rapid development on it so that we --
the X11.app-using community -- can make it the best X server possible,
on any platform.
Ben Byer
CoreOS / BSD Technology Group, XDarwin maintainer
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