Re: iPhone XQuartz?
Re: iPhone XQuartz?
- Subject: Re: iPhone XQuartz?
- From: Michael Parson <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:09:49 -0500 (CDT)
On Thu, 20 Mar 2008, Jeshua Lacock wrote:
On Mar 20, 2008, at 12:54 PM, John Davidorff Pell wrote:
I still think that you're not being very precise. :-) I have no
doubt that there are many people who do prefer KDE over Aqua or
GNOME over Aqua, and I expect they do because of familiarity or
because of cross-platform issues, but an "X11 interface" does NOT
imply KDE or GNOME. An "X11 interface" can mean anything from
TWM to KDE to GNOME to FVWM to any combination of window-manager
+ file browser + toolkit + apps. There is no "X11 interface" is
my point. If you want to choose some interface which does use
X11, then you'll have to pick one of those and implement that
one. Technically, none of the many interfaces which use X11 require
X11 at all. X11 is policy-neutral. That means that nothing that
you see (except the "X" mouse pointer, which you should never
see) is provided by X11. Everything is provided by some other
package/toolkit/application/whatever.
John,
Right, but they all run in an X11 environment.
I was not stating any specific combination of "window-manager + file
browser + toolkit + apps" was preferred, I was making a generic
statement that whatever the combination, there are people who prefer
running a X11 environment interface.
Indeed. I don't care what OS or Window Manager/Operating environment
I'm working in. But when I need to do terminal work, I always prefer
to use a real xterm, rather than OS X's Terminal.app, Gnome's ETerm
(or whatever they're using these days), KDE's KTerm, whatever that
abomination CDE used, etc. Eventually, they all do something wrong
with the way they draw things on the screen, leave artifacts, something
wrong, something I've never had to deal with when running an X11 xterm.
No, I don't get transparent windows or background images, but I don't
need those things, those do not improve my productivity. A functional
terminal from which I can work does make me productive. I'd guess that
something greater than 99% of my time in X11 (at least, on the Mac) is
spent inside an xterm.
--
Michael Parson
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