Re: Any way to get tiny "clear console" button back?
Re: Any way to get tiny "clear console" button back?
- Subject: Re: Any way to get tiny "clear console" button back?
- From: "Kyle Sluder" <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:40:48 +0000
Chris,
Glad to see that you're ahead of the game. I personally will never
use menu alternates, because I never have enough menu items to warrant
the space-saving, but I understand what you're talking about when you
say 200+ menu items. MS Word is a good candidate for such a cleanup
as well.
Well, I imagine that if there's a long-outstanding request, that my
filing a bug won't do much good. But in any event, I think using the
chevron from the toolbar would be a good indicator. When you click
it, you get a submenu with all of the alternates spelled out. Or
maybe do what Photoshop CS3 does and color the item differently.
There has to be some way of doing it that's intuitive.
--Kyle Sluder
On 10/31/07, Chris Espinosa <email@hidden> wrote:
>
> On Oct 31, 2007, at 12:03 PM, Kyle Sluder wrote:
>
> > That's precisely why I think menu alternates are a very bad idea.
> > Since the toolbar is taking up precious space, and can be turned off
> > at any time, I expect the menu bar to hold every action I can perform
> > at any given moment. The fact that there's no indication that if I
> > hold down a certain arcane combination of modifier keys I *might* just
> > find the functionality I'm looking for is really disconcerting to me.
> > The new Help menu goes some ways to alleviating this problem, but I
> > still think it would be nice to have some sort of visual indication
> > that a menu item has alternates.
>
> We work very hard to balance the accessable power for the expert with
> clear orientation and simplicity for the new Xcode user. It had
> become very clear that Xcode had a daunting number of confusing and
> obscure menu items, and we eliminated about 20% of them in Xcode 3.0.
>
> We also wish that the Mac OS X alternate menu mechanism had better
> techniques for discoverability (other than popping the menu and
> cycling through all 8 combinations of metakeys) and there is a
> longstanding request to the HI group that we've dogpiled on. We hope
> this can be resolved to the benefit of all applications that have more
> functionality than fits comfortably in 200+ menu items.
>
> Chris
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