Re: Where is the Searchable Applescript-users Archive?
Re: Where is the Searchable Applescript-users Archive?
- Subject: Re: Where is the Searchable Applescript-users Archive?
- From: Chuq Von Rospach <email@hidden>
- Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 10:36:38 -0800
On 3/2/01 8:52 AM, "Douglas Wagner" <email@hidden> wrote:
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The issue here is whether the material in the archive is public or
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private,
It is protected by a password. I think that makes it rather explicity not
public, but accessible by permission. Even if we didn't do that, "public"
doesn't by any definition mean "with no restrictions".
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whether our collected work is in the public domain or owned,
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literally, by Apple, and only nominally, whether a private archive
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requires Apples' approval.
There is absolutely no question that it is NOT public domain. None at all.
It's not. Period. Under any interpretation of the copyright codes. The only
question is what qualifies under "fair use", and what the acceptable usage
of the archives under our terms of service are. And I guess I need to go
make those explicit (sigh), to save having these discussions in the future.
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Rather than an argument we have an assertion; Apple owns
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the copyright to the collected work, and that's that.
That's because that's what the laws say. You want to go find a different
interpretation of the laws, be my guest. But facts are facts. You can call
them assertions -- but that doesn't change reality.
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And the list mom replied:
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> Copyright. Canada's a member of the Berne convention on copyright. Putting
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> up a public archive is not within the rights under fair use.
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The first sentence implies there exists a law which prohibits
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archiving.
The sentence says there is a law that defines acceptable usage. It's called
copyright, and copyright says that you can't do things to a copyrighted
thing without the permission of the owner of the copyright, except under
very specific rules (known as "fair use" under copyright.
There is absolutely no way a public archive of a mailing list done without
the permission of the list owner would be considered fair use. None.
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The third could be true if the material in the archive was private.
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The question of how Apple has arrived at ownership of the list is
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left hanging.
Doug -- you better go talk to someone who understands copyright. You seem
really unclear about many basic issues here. And you keep making basic
assumptions and assertions that may seem reasonable to you, but don't fit
reality because you don't know what the laws are.
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The
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material is, de facto, in the public domain.
Wrong. At its most basis assumption. GO LEARN COPYRIGHT LAWS.
We can't go any further in this discussion as long as you're arguing from
basic misconceptions like this. Sorry.
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Chuq Von Rospach, Apple Mail List Gnome
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