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Re: BUG: More on C-header text files - CORRECTION
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Re: BUG: More on C-header text files - CORRECTION


  • Subject: Re: BUG: More on C-header text files - CORRECTION
  • From: Philip Aker <email@hidden>
  • Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 01:05:29 -0700

On Monday, July 1, 2002, at 01:50 PM, Paul Berkowitz wrote:

Word uses LF for newline (not new paragraph) and CR (not CRLF) for 'new paragraph'. Nothing at all is used for softwrapping.

CRLF is used in DOS, and thus in Windows TEXT formats, but not in MS Word documents. MS Word uses CR. (Word started on the Mac first, so that may account or it.) So does VBA when representing text within a Word doc, but in its own code, but CRLF when representing text in a Windows text file.

Dunno what it is doing these days (I delete all M$ applications as soon as I detect their presence on my disks). I think the last version of Word I had was either 5 or 5.1, but I wonder if you are making the distinction between the file format and the internal delimiters (as I mentioned below "runtime situations") used?



This had implications for the typesetting methods of the day because for runtime situations, the CR could be used as a line ending marker for screen representations (which makes for easier redraw calculations) but didn't necessarily have to take up a byte in the file when stored on disk. I haven't looked at M$Word for many years but remember that I used a soft return for some formatting purposes. For plain text files, I believe M$Word reads/writes them in as per platform EOL convention but deals with things internally with an approach somewhat similar to what's been described above.

First part of your last sentence is correct, but second part is sort of backwards.

?

Thanks for all the other info.

That's actually the real interesting part for me because even though I've put a reasonable amount of work into Marco Piovanelli's WASTE text engine (largely concerned with text flow) one can do useful things with a text character grid. There is the entity known as 'antiorp' (famous for getting kicked off the Max list amongst other things) who warped email she received into such a grid and then used it as data input for various algorithms to produce music (Midi->MSP output I think).



Cheers,


Philip


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