Re: Sorry
Re: Sorry
- Subject: Re: Sorry
- From: Michael Terry <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:33:44 -0800
On Dec 18, 2003, at 11:26 AM, VRic wrote:
I considered taking this answer offlist, but you didn't, so, sorry
others. I have the vanity to think some may be interested though.
Right, and I'm not the one who decided to discuss current politics on a
public discussion list devoted to AppleScript.
don't read>
I don't have much of an opinion on whether Rome brought peace,
but that seemed like a harmless enough comment.
The "barbarians" found that very harmful indeed. Romans brought peace
to
*themselves* (or so they thought) by "pacifying" (subduing) those not
sharing their interests, which is a questionable conception of peace to
say the least (search "pax romana").
Harmless in the sense that pax romana was 2,000 years ago.
Since this is precisely what the US
government officially claims to do (check, this is no one's "views"),
those offended should turn to the US government, not me (I'm not the
one
claiming to "defend US interests anywhere" and "use force when
necessary"
for example; of course seing that as a striking similarity between the
roman, british, french empires and the US non-empire is a known
pathological consequence of bigotry).
</don't read>
unprovoked bigotry [...] without regard to who may be offended
Whether a response to "Brought Peace?" should be regarded as unprovoked
is debatable by itself, but people taking offense from the ideas of
others are definitely having a problem with reality: others exist, some
think and have opinions, they may not always protect you from
discovering
those. Maybe sensitive auto-proclaimed non-bigots will feel offended by
that sentence too, but I'm just trying to help.
Hmmm. So if I were to analyze what I thought to be the character of
Hispanics, sarcastically derided the recent behavior of France, or
made fun of Jews or Muslims on list, no particular Hispanic, Frenchman,
Jew, or Muslim should object, else he may be regarded as too sensitive?
I don't know how it is where you live, but here in America, it's
generally considered bad form to insult groups to which others belong
and with which they may identify.
Off-topic posts may annoy you and I apologize for that, but to offend a
reasonable person takes a much more personal approach than revealing
what
you may think about anything else. There's no way you could offend me
by
sharing your views on whatever. If I though you were wrong I might try
to
explain how, like if someone claimed KKK is cool or PCs are so much
better than macs, but being offended by what they think would be
ridiculous. Calling me a bigot is a nice start though, but, wait,
checking, no. Still not feeling offended. I may have a problem, the
world
seems so full of people much better at taking offense.
Anyone offended by my implying KKK isn't cool or PCs aren't better than
macs, please stay offended. Anyone feeling like arguing the claims
instead, I welcome your arguments.
See, that's just the problem. This is a discussion forum for
AppleScript. Your opinions about anything else are not relevant here,
and neither are mine.
I noticed the superior attitude that ran through your sermon, but it
has a few holes. For example, if you weren't trying to offend anyone,
why the sarcasm? That's part of the point of sarcasm, isn't it?
Instead of sarcastic asides, you might try posting your thoughtful,
measured opinions on international relations. But then some of us will
read your posts, dumbfounded, as we try to understand why you think it
is OK to post it to the AppleScript Users list. And then we will
recover ourselves, and respond with the same tone we found in the
original post.
Cheers,
Mike
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