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Re: Order of operations (was: Eigenvalues &/or eigenvectors, anyone?)
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Re: Order of operations (was: Eigenvalues &/or eigenvectors, anyone?)


  • Subject: Re: Order of operations (was: Eigenvalues &/or eigenvectors, anyone?)
  • From: Deivy Petrescu <email@hidden>
  • Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 18:50:43 -0400

On Thursday, May 8, 2003, at 05:03 PM, Doug McNutt wrote:

At 12:42 -0400 5/8/03, Deivy Petrescu wrote:
AS is right and the other programs are all, if not wrong, using a not canonic notation.

One more and I promise to be quiet:

Please do not. We do not have to fight, the beginning of response was just a joke. At someone else... 8)

Go back to your high school days and simplify this:

y = (1-x)(1+x)-1

I get -x^2


Did you feel any need for parentheses in the result?

Absolutely not!

Doug,
there is a big difference in both cases.

Do you recognize those:
{..., -2, -1, 0, 1, 2,..}
those are representation of the abstract concept of numbers. Actually, the positive should have a "+" in front, by default they don't! Think of the time, ink, paper and keystrokes this save.
So writing -2^2 is the same as writing +2^2. The sign is part of the number.
I'll give you one ambiguous instance, -e^2. I would have used pi, but the mailer... 8)
I would probably write (-e)^2 to mean the square of the negative e.
I would probably put parenthesis in general to prevent ambiguities.

Using your example:
-2=0-2 (no parenthesis)
then -2*-2 = 0-2*0-2 = -2 using the precedence of operations.. ;)
And neither 4 or -4 is right.

Another thing, I did not try perl, but you can include python in the ones that use -2^2=-4.
bc uses the same notation that A, -2^2=4
A calculator does the same thing..

In order to avoid problems, to be certain, I'd always insert parenthesis in the expression.

I would call it a bug. I still feel that the canonical way is -2^2=4, nothing wrong with (-2)^2=4.






Regards

Deivy Petrescu
http://www.dicas.com/
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