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Re: Order of operations (was: Eigenvalues &/or eigenvectors,
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Re: Order of operations (was: Eigenvalues &/or eigenvectors,


  • Subject: Re: Order of operations (was: Eigenvalues &/or eigenvectors,
  • From: email@hidden (Michael Sullivan)
  • Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 18:12:58 -0400
  • Organization: Business Card Express

> On 5/12/03 12:28 PM, "Michael Sullivan" <email@hidden> wrote:
>
> > With explicit numbers, I will concede that your interpretation is at
> > least as reasonable as mine (which would be that -3^2 is to be read as:
> > - (3)^2).
> >
> > But not with variables.
> >
> > If I write -x^2, I expect the result to be a *negative* number.
> >
> > But applescript doesn't:
> >
> > set foo to 3
> > -foo ^ 2
> >
> > --> 9.0
> >
> > Sorry, but that's just wrong.

> No it isn't. It makes perfect sense to me. Whether foo itself is a positive
> or negative number, -foo is the opposite sign - negative or positive number
> respectively , so squaring either foo or -foo yields a positive number, just
> as for the signed integer represented by the variable x. Cubing it would
> give it the same sign as the integer being cubed (foo or -foo).

It may be clear to you, but it is absolutely *not* what I'd expect after
studying algebraic expressions for years.


> This is _especially_ clear in the version you've pasted, where there are
> spaces on either side of the ^ symbol, so that the - sign is clearly
> attached to just the variable foo and not to the whole expression.

That's what happens when I post the code directly from script debugger
-- because the as parser put those spaces in. I'd almost agree, if I'd
typed it that way originally, that this interpretation makes sense
(since AS is trying to act like a natural language and read intent).

> If you don't like AppleScript's method, just use parentheses and stop
> complaining about it.

oh? That's certainly what I intend to do from here. One is not allowed
a rant?

I restate:

> > If I write -x^2, I expect the result to be a *negative* number.

Do you really expect "-x^2" to be a positive number? Would you really
expect to have to write -(x^2) as the answer to an algebra problem?

I wouldn't. And for that reason, I wouldn't expect to write it in a
programming language that claims to use algebraic order of precedence
either. I find that annoying. Shoot me.


Michael
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