Re: [OT] Re: jmlbeud ceararhtcs
Re: [OT] Re: jmlbeud ceararhtcs
- Subject: Re: [OT] Re: jmlbeud ceararhtcs
- From: Deivy Petrescu <email@hidden>
- Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:05:52 -0400
On Sunday, Sep 21, 2003, at 12:26 US/Eastern, Bill Briggs wrote:
In the end it's not surprising that we can figure the sentences out.
The error correction, like a CRC check or Hamming code in the digital
world, is built into the language. Most European languages have
similar levels of redundancy (excess information). It would have been
more interesting if Shannon had not used printed language and had
dealt with the phonemic transcription of spoken language instead. I've
been meaning to do this for years, and I suspect that there is still a
lot of redundancy (which is why spoken the word is so robust to audio
quality degradation while remaining comprehensible), but something
less than in written english (because the phonemic representation is
more compact).
- web
Very interesting. I was thinking if vowels are necessary in the written
English.
Apparently they are, here is the above text with no vowels*:
"n th nd t's nt srprsng tht w cn fgr th sntncs t. Th rrr crrctn, lk
CRC chck r Hmmng cd n th dgtl wrld, s blt nt th lngg. Mst rpn lnggs hv
smlr lvls f rdndnc (xcss nfrmtn). t wld hv bn mr ntrstng f Shnnn hd nt
sd prntd lngg nd hd dlt wth th phnmc trnscrptn f spkn lngg nstd. 'v bn
mnng t d ths fr rs, nd sspct tht thr s stll lt f rdndnc (whch s wh
spkn th wrd s s rbst t d qlt dgrdtn whl rmnng cmprhnsbl), bt smthng lss
thn n wrttn nglsh (bcs th phnmc rprsnttn s mr cmpct)."
It would have been more interesting if Shannon had not used printed
language and had dealt with the phonemic transcription of spoken
language instead.
Scrambling the sound? That is impossible to understand.
This experiment is carried on daily in the New York subway system. And
they do not try to scramble.... :)
May be your local international airport is also part of this
experiment, you've got to check!!!
*vowels {a,e,i,o,u,y}
Regards
Deivy Petrescu
http://www.dicas.com/
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