Re: [OT] Re: Smile and FruitMenu
Re: [OT] Re: Smile and FruitMenu
- Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Smile and FruitMenu
- From: "John C. Welch" <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 22:14:43 -0600
On 12/07/2004 21:54, "Doug McNutt" <email@hidden> wrote:
> Fruit menu appeared because Apple - Steve - chose to remove some of the best
> things about the classic OS. I still miss them but I have chosen to use my OS
> neXt box for UNIX and its command line interface. Finder and Dock are hidden
> away. Would that Apple would provide an MPW shell for X. I am composing this
> on an 8500 running OS 9 which remains my GUI of choice. It has a "fruit menu"
> compliments of Apple itself.
>
In Panther, if you have a classic system folder, and you turn on the Classic
menubar item, you have access to the OS 9 Apple Menu.
Free, courtesy of Apple.
The address for the thank you is email@hidden, which I'm sure you'll want
to take care of since you are ready to blame him for its disappearance.
> A good fraction of the blame for the incompatibilities discussed in this
> thread should be directed at Steve. He's the one who buried OS 9. He's the one
> that who insisted on the Next Step.
Um...OS9 had to be killed. It couldn't handle the I/O for things like FW800,
and gigabit Ethernet. You like having a stable driver model? Not in OS9. You
like having a stable, fast, network system that doesn't care about the
frontmost application? Not in OS 9.
I've got an old G4 running Mac OS X server as a backup domain controller,
Nagios, MRTG, and the CGIs for the web presentations for both. I've got an
Xserve that's backing up every laptop on three platforms, and is the main
file drop for half a company. You can't even get close to that in OS 9. As
well, the UI in OS X continues to evolve.
> What I really want to see is an AppleScript that uses drag and drop to a
> "trash" folder and emulates the trash can of old with eject when it's a disk,
> removing alias files and not the original, and all of the other good things
> from the pre-dock world.
>
> Give credit where it is due to an outfit, Unsanity, that at least tries to
> humanize OS neXt with the Tognazzini heritage in mind. If you think it's
> trivial let's see that AppleScript.
Tog didn't invent half of what he gets credit for. He documented it, but a
lot of his opinions are not exactly going to work everywhere he thinks they
are. OS X has so little to do, at this point with the NeXT UI that to
compare the two is just silly. The Trash can being in a predictable, always
findable place, where it cannot be hidden by the 300 items people like to
leave in on their desktop is a good thing UI wise. It removes a mundane and
repetitive task, ("where's the trash") from your actions, a minor item that,
by the way, has been anywhere from 5% to 10% of my support calls in the OS 9
days. I've never had a problem with deleting an alias deleting an original
file, so I'm not sure where that comes from.
And even with the rather major annoyances of no AppleScript for network
setup or printer setup (the latter can at least be done with shell), I'll
take AppleScript on OS X any day of the week. There's stuff I do with it
that I could have never done on OS 9, like my Virex folder scan scripts.
OS X is still young, and the Classic Mac OS went through just as many
growing pains. But it's a much better platform all the way around than it
has been in decades.
--
"If you see a bomb technician running, try to keep up with him."
USAF Ammo Troop.
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