Re: This is ridiculous
Re: This is ridiculous
- Subject: Re: This is ridiculous
- From: "John C. Welch" <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:08:22 -0500
On 10/12/04 5:24 PM, "Martin Orpen" <email@hidden> wrote:
> on 12/10/04 10:50 pm, Chris Espinosa at email@hidden wrote:
>
>> Apple Computer, on the other hand, does care if its customers miss posts
>> and/or digests. Remember that these restrictions are imposed on our
>> subscribers by their employers; your fellow list participants are not
>> inflicting it on you.
>
> We've been through this before - and ISTR that nobody actually agreed with
> that position last time.
Actually, I understand it, since I've had to deal with it on occasion.
>
> If recipients are worried that they are missing messages because of rules
> set by their bosses then they are free to sign up using their personal email
> accounts.
That's assuming that you're allowed to do such things. I know at many
companies, using personal email is verboten. It's a security issue as much
as anything else.
>
> If they can't be bothered to do this, then they obviously don't share the
> same degree of interest in AppleScript that the rest of us do.
Um, arrogant much? That's just silly. I know avid scripters who can't use
any outside email lists whatsoever from work, as they work in high security
environments, where all email is strictly and ruthlessly monitored.
>
> Why should we moderate our language to suit some faceless corporation that
> is using a Windoze box to determine if our Apple-related messages are
> offensive or not?
Oh please. It's an email server. You have no idea what the clients on the
other side of that server are running. But please, don't allow me to point
out silly things like there's only two companies that even provide basic
corporate groupware servers, (by this I mean, email, network address books
and calendaring from a single product.) for the Mac, (Stalker and Kerio) and
only one of those are usable by Entourage or Evolution (Kerio). Neither of
these provide even half the functionality of Exchange or Notes. So barring a
rapid change, if you want high end groupware, you're putting Windows, or in
a VERY limited way, Solaris or Linux in the server room. If you're using
Linux, it's on x86.
No, no, it's obviously a windows plot to piss you, Martin Orphen off.
>
> And why should an international forum have to conform to rules of some US*
> corporation's prissy rules. *I'm guessing, but I'm guessing they are...
And why should we have to put up with someone unable to grok that no, you
can't say any fool thing you want without some fallout. There's no such
thing as an absolute right to free speech, and this is from the country that
invented the concept of constitutionally protected speech.
>
>> There may come a day when that person has the answer to the question you're
>> asking, but will never see it. You may then weigh the value of your right to
>> express yourself however you like against the value of getting your questions
>> answered from the list.
>
> I doubt that!
>
> The answers to my script-related problems normally come from the stalwarts
> of this list.
>
> I won't name them for fear of leaving somebody out - but it's the regular
> contributors, the people who pop-up on alt.comp.lang.applescript, MACSCRPT
> etc, etc who provide *consistently* useful information.
>
> And I'm willing to bet that the recipient who bounced Michelle's message is
> more likely to be a leecher or a lamer than somebody who's likely to offer
> the kind of help that I'm looking for.
FYI, Orvis is a little outdoor clothing company with a web catalog. So, that
means that whomever is on the list from there is probably a designer, and
depending on where in Vermont they live, may not have any sort of reliable
net access other than at work.
There's a high probability they aren't in the IT department, and cannot do
anything about the content filters on their server.
So they sit there, and probably quietly put up with asinine remarks about
how they are a leech and a lamer, and decide that the people making the
remarks are just silly, or they long ago filtered you to /dev/null, since
the chances of you having an answer they care about is probably far
outweighed by your rather poor manners towards a situation they can do
nothing about.
Just because they are on an AppleScript list doesn't mean they run their own
networks. In fact, there's quite a few people on this list who couldn't run
a network with a gun at their heads, should I laugh at their lameness
because I've been running networks for over a decade? No, of course not.
Considering their site is built with MS Visual InterDev, I'd say that the
person or persons has no control over any of their network, and like many,
has to live with things they cannot control.
Perhaps a little charity is in order?
john
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