Re: straw men and personal attacks
Re: straw men and personal attacks
- Subject: Re: straw men and personal attacks
- From: Martin Orpen <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:12:49 +0100
on 23/8/05 20:14, Matt Deatherage at email@hidden wrote:
> On 8/23/05 at 10:20 AM, Martin Orpen <email@hidden> wrote:
>
>> Are you confusing me with Matt Deatherage? It was he who suggested
>> that only people who had written apps with as many lines of code as
>> the Finder are capable of criticising the Finder.
>
> It's a lot easier to argue when you change my words to match what you
> wish I'd said, instead of quoting what I actually said. To wit:
>
> On 8/18/05 at 1:24 PM, Matt Deatherage <email@hidden> wrote:
>
>> (No, you don't have to be a top-class programmer to qualify to find
>> and report a bug in the Finder, but if you're going to accuse the
>> programmers or the company of being "pathetic" or exercising
>> deliberate malfeasance, then have some evidence to back your claims
>> [...] .)
>
> (Emotionally charged acronym that apparently left nothing but to wage
> terrible war deleted)
>
> I think the (as you pointed out, PGP-signed) statement "you don't have
> to be a top-class programmer to qualify to find and report a bug in the
> Finder" largely eliminates your idea that I "suggested that only people
> who had written apps with as many lines of code as the Finder are
> capable of criticising the Finder."
>
> (The message was PGP signed because, as it turns out, PGP 9.0.2's default set
> of rules signs messages to mailing lists with "-users" in the name. I've
> since disabled that rule. I didn't realize in advance it would sign the
> message.)
>
> I apologize to the other members of the list if this spurs more useless
> arguing, but I'm old-fashioned: When someone attributes to me a
> concept I did not advance, I like to see it corrected.
Really.
Why did you selectively quote from the post then?
What follows is what you posted. I'm sure that other people on this list
will be interested in why you chose to snip the two paragraphs prior to your
quoted text in the interests of seeing your concepts corrected:
on 18/8/05 19:24, Matt Deatherage at email@hidden wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> On 8/18/05 at 11:57 AM, Martin Orpen <email@hidden> wrote:
>
>> I've got no problem with *copy protection* but having files disappear
>> from the Finder windows indicates some pretty pathetic programming
>> from Apple.
>
> And, having written a program the size and scope of the Finder that must run
> on all systems at all times, you know this from personal experience?
>
> <http://bugreporter.apple.com/> if you can reproduce it, especially if it
> actually has something to do with AppleScript.
>
> (No, you don't have to be a top-class programmer to qualify to find and report
> a bug in the Finder, but if you're going to accuse the programmers or the
> company of being "pathetic" or exercising deliberate malfeasance, then have
> some evidence to back your claims or STFU.)
Just in case you missed that, here is what I was referring to:
"And, having written a program the size and scope of the Finder that must
run on all systems at all times, you know this from personal experience?"
I've changed none of your words - or selectively chosen them. And the only
thing I've snipped is the advertisement of your services.
I'll leave the other list members to make their own judgements on your
honesty.
--
Martin Orpen
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