Re: Nice Automator article on O'Reilly
Re: Nice Automator article on O'Reilly
- Subject: Re: Nice Automator article on O'Reilly
- From: "John C. Welch" <email@hidden>
- Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 12:11:32 -0500
On 5/7/05 08:53, "has" <email@hidden> wrote:
>>>> I haven't seen anything that's better enough than applescript at the task
>>>> of
>>>> the end user language.
>>>
>>> There's no shortage of good ideas and interesting implementations out there.
>>> What's really need is for a company like Apple to take the best of these,
>>> package them in its own inimitable way, and really commercialise and
>>> popularise the heck out of it.
>>
>> Has, this will take, literally YEARS. [...] Two years at a minimum, and
>> that's with massive new
>> hiring and the entire team doing NOTHING ELSE, and that's just the language.
>> Not the IDE.
>
> Really? You must tell Bill Atkinson that; I'm sure he'd be very surprised. And
> don't forget, back then Bill was pioneering brand new unexplored territory
> with only a miniscule amount of system APIs and machine resources for support.
> So what's the excuse now?
Let's see...
Compare for relative difficulty
create a language/programming environment for a brand new platform with a
few thousand users, and maybe a hundred programmers outside of apple.
Do the same for a two - decades old platform in it's second incarnation,
still doing a LOT of bug shakeouts, with 25 million users or so,
well-established workflow, all the while supporting what are new legacy
workflows, and oh yeah, coming up with a way to have one-click migration of
all those workflows because if you have to rewrite the workflows in a new
language from scratch ANYWAY, well then that means that the platform is no
longer that important, so maybe another platform is better, especially from
the POV of free dev/integration support?
How about Apple DOESN'T repeat the same mistake Microsoft is currently
making, hmm?
>
> Look, the sort of product I talking about is, roughly speaking, just a more
> granular version of Automator, not Perl 6. Something that a small, talented
> and knowledgeable dev team could put together for the next major OS release if
> handed a project brief, a copy of "Cocoa for Dummies", and told to get on with
> it. Heck, for all we know Apple could be working on some of these ideas for
> Automator 2.0 as we speak. But if all you're going to come up with is
> reactionary hyperbole and diversionary strawmen then this is not a useful
> discussion and I have better things to do with my time.
Has, I love you. Dearly. You stop at the language, and that's the end of
your world. None of the other implementation issues exist to you, so
everything can be done in a week by a 16 year old.
Of course, that's completely incorrect, and inaccurate, but I do love the
simplicity of your universe. If only the rest of the world were that simple.
john
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