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Re: AS Library Question
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Re: AS Library Question


  • Subject: Re: AS Library Question
  • From: has <email@hidden>
  • Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 17:46:43 +0000

On 18/12/2015 16:55, Stan Cleveland wrote:
As the OP on this thread, I never imagined that it would run so long—or so deeply into the workings of AS. The generous contributions by all—but especially has, Shane and the other, other AppleScript Chris—have provided extremely helpful insights into several areas of AS. I, for one, am in awe of the knowledge and experience brought by the contributors to this list. Thanks to you all! Stan C.

Honestly, I despise such discussions, because they are a huge red flag declaring that the product has failed to do its job. In this case, that job is enabling a wide range of people whose expertise is in a wide range of skilled specialist domains not including software develoment to create their own scripts that do what _they_ need to do quickly and easily, without having to sleep through several years of CS school to be able to do so first. Such discussions do not make users cleverer or wiser or better at _their_ jobs; they just clog their brains with pedantic irrelevant guff that, if the programmers had done their job right in the first place, would *not exist at all*.

Therefore, the correct reaction to all such discussions is "fix the damn product already". Eliminate the problem at source, and the need to discuss its details or consequences magically disappears completely, allowing *everyone* to get on with more useful productive thing instead.

My problem with not just the AS team but a lot of programmers and programming teams is that they simply don't *talk to their users*, which means they don't know their users: they don't know how their own users think, what they do, or why they do it. I mean, how can anyone present himself as an expert problem solver here to make his users happy and efficient when not only does he have zero knowledge or interest in the problem, but half the time doesn't even realize (and/or admit) the problem exists?! Frankly, the best thing clients can do in such situations is thank the developer kindly for his time and throw him out the door, cos the longer he sticks around the more likely he is not only _not_ to solve their existing problems, but also to invent new problems for them as well.


BTW, I observed this developer-user dynamic [sic] first-hand when I turned pro, and _still_ shake my head thinking about it, because nothing in this world is dumber than very smart people. And computer programmers are very smart indeed.

Me, I always talked to my users and was never afraid to ask them questions - even really basic and dumb-sounding questions - to help me understand what their jobs entailed. Because understanding that work, and how they do it, and why they do it one particular way and not, say, another, gave me a far better chance of building a solution that actually fit their needs.

For me, being a bear of very little brain, doing what I needed to do to understand the problem I was supposed to solve was (hah!) a total no-brainer. I just don't have the brainpower to build large complicated software systems that repeatedly fail to meet the user's needs, but by learning the problem space first I can shortcut 90% of that make-work and get away with writing the smallest, simplest, dumbest code that does the job. Which, funny enough, is usually all the user actually needs in order to do their job - and it's _their_ job, not our code, that _they_ (rightly) care about[1]. Software's just something to go wrong and get in their way; doubly so when it doesn't work right.

Likewise, once users realized I wanted to listen and understand and wasn't just an arrogant know-it-all only interested in telling them_ - the experts - how to do _their_ jobs, they were delighted to let fly with information, insights, and ideas. A lot of the best tools I gave them sprung from such interactions, and we got on like a house on fire. As I've said before, even people who think I'm a total dick adore my work, not cos of who wrote it but because it works right and enables _them_ to do their own awesome stuff.

Conversely, I noticed over several years that I never saw a developer from the "Real Programming" team ever step from their glass office onto the shop floor and just talk; in fact, I'm not sure I _ever_ saw developers mix much with the people that were using their work. Any communication there was was chaperoned through layers of management, thus resembling a very slow game of Chinese whispers. Often as not, their software was late, horrid to use, often crippled and buggy as anthills, and made users frustrated and miserable because something supposed to make them _more_ productive was making them _less_ productive instead.


Sure, lack of two-way trust and communication between developers and users isn't the only problem that produces poor products and worse relationships (dysfunctional managers, delusional salesmen, crippling technical debt, and a whole host of other corporate SOP are also common), but it's probably the quickest and cheapest way to improvement. This is why I'm such an absolute believer in end-user programming, because if programmers insist on not talking to us users then maybe it's time us users cut them out entirely.:)

But then, if programmers simply gave us what we actually needed when we actually needed it, I'd never have been driven to teach myself AppleScript (and then Python, C, and so on) so I could finally do the damn job right myself. I leave it to everyone else to decide whether they think it was worth it...;)


Regards,

has

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[1] http://www.soloseo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/what-the-customer-actually-wanted.jpg
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